Indulgences, the Treasury of Merits and EC's

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I have not started a thread in months, so please forgive my bluntness.

As Eastern Catholics, are we expected to belief in Indulgences and a Treasury of Merits as expressed in Latin theology. The reason I ask is that I have never heard of them and I know they are absent from Orthodox theology. The term “merits” is likewise absent from all Eastern expressions of faith…Thank you for your help…👍

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Prayers and petitions,
Alexius:cool:
 
Perhaps the *term *is not there but the concept is:
HM,

Not sure what you’re quoting, but it isn’t an Eastern documennt.

Alexius,

Although there have been instances in which the concept has been introduced to the East through latinization, it has no history in the East afaik.

Many years,

Neil
 
HM,

Not sure what you’re quoting, but it isn’t an Eastern documennt.

Alexius,

Although there have been instances in which the concept has been introduced to the East through latinization, it has no history in the East afaik.

Many years,

Neil
So, it is a Latin expression of faith? I assume we are to accept it as a legitimate expression, but not part of ours? Makes things a little difficult between us as to how we view this…I don’t think we even have a similar concept…

Prayers and petitions,
Alexius:cool:
 
This word supererogation, from Latin supererogatio, means “paying more than is due.” A “supererogatory” work, according to traditional moral philosophy, is a morally good action which exceeds what is merely morally required. This, of course, is based upon a distinction within God’s law between what is mandatory for salvation and what is simply advisory (the “commandments” of the Gospel as opposed to the “counsels” of the Gospel).

The idea of a heavenly “treasury” of merits of the Saints flows from this idea. The Saints in heaven have not only fulfilled the minimum for salvation (they have observed the “commandments”), but have earned “extra” merits (by observing also the “counsels”) which can, somehow, be applied before God to sinners on earth having more trouble fulfilling the minimum. Such is the basis for indulgences in traditional Western Theology.

It has been assumed by some, including Father Alexander Turner of blessed memory (the first Vicar General of the Western Rite in the Antiochian Archdiocese), that these references to the “merits” of the Saints are reflections of the later Roman Catholic teaching on “supererogation.”

Based on the historical evidence, the Latin liturgical references to the “merits” of the Saints cannot be reflections of the later Latin doctrine. In fact, an investigation into the ancient Ordo Missae, Canon Missae, Collects, Hymns, &c. in which the term is used seems to confirm the fact that the term was not retroactively added by later editors who believed in some heavenly treasury of merits.

We have plenty of specimens of very ancient Collects which predate the full-blown doctrine of supererogatory merits by many centuries. Therefore, these Collects cannot possibly refer to this Roman Catholic teaching, since this teaching develops long after the Collects were composed in Rome and elsewhere, in the time of Church Fathers as Saints Gregory and Leo.

Saint Leo, an indisputably Orthodox Saint and Father, himself makes a very clear reference to the “merits” of Saint Peter in his homily for Ember Saturday in September. He exhorts the faithful to worship on Saturday at the shrine of blessed Apostle:
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by whose merits and prayers we believe that we shall be aided, so that we may please our merciful God in our fasting and prayer. (cujus nos meritis et oratiónibus crédimus adjuvándos, ut misericordi Deo jejúnio nostro et devotióne placeamus.)*

As to what precisely the “merit” of a Saint means in the ancient sense, I’m not exactly sure at this point. I did run across a few tantalizing, but very brief, hints in Peter Brown’s Society and the Holy in Late Antiquity (University of California, 1982). In the chapter entitled “Relics and Social Status” Brown writes:

As is so often the case in Late Antiquity, there is more to an intimate relationship with Ideal Companions than a sheltered piety. For the saints were a very special type of human being they were those whose merita now stood secure in the other world. The physical remains of the relics through which this security was made manifest to human onlookers in the form of miracles, did not merely heal and bless; they answered the question of the precise merita of those who stood, with far less unambiguous security, at the head of the Christian communities of the Gallic towns. For the quest for merita was, plainly, a vexed question in the sixth century (80). ‘Merit’ was a volatile substance that had to be handled with the greatest care. One man’s merit might be another man’s vainglory. Vainglory is a constant concern for Gregory [of Tours] …" (pp. 241-242)

A footnote to the above text reads:

80. Viventiolus of Lyon could be described on his tomb as ‘vir potens meritis nosterque sacerdos’ (‘a man powerful in his standing in Heaven, our own bishop’); … [Compare similar usage in Venantius Fortunatus … where honor is what a bishop inherits and merita are what he achieves by his own piety.]

[to be continued]
 
So, without having made a thorough study of it, but judging from Brown’s hints, it seems to me that “merit” is very roughly equivalent to “holiness,” “sanctity,” “righteousness” but it is still almost impossible to translate into English. Notice that Brown, in the footnote above, translates three simple words “vir potens meritis” as “a man powerful in his standing in Heaven”!

My hunch is that, when in a Collect we pray that we may be aided by a Saint’s “merits” we mean that his advocacy for us is connected to his own personal holiness, his righteousness, and more specifically (if Brown’s translation is correct) his standing in the heavenly court before God … much like we would ask a friend, who has a personal relationship with a very powerful ruler, to intercede with him on our behalf and vouch for us.

I get the image of a sinner in the heavenly court, cowering behind a very holy man who is powerful and influential with God. We want to associate our own sorry selves with the “merits” (the goodness, the faithfulness, the righteousness, the power, the influence) of this holy man and we want him to put in a good word for us before this awful Judge. And we are assured that we will be pardoned because this holy man has a personal standing with the Judge himself.

Of course, all this may seem far too “legalistic” “juridical” or “forensic” for the partisans of the mystical Orient … but given that much of the New Testament is written using such language, I think it should be defensible.

It is also interesting to look for equivalents for this notion of the “merits” of the Saints in Eastern liturgical texts.

For instance, a randomly picked troparion for the holy Hieromartyr Myron reads “Wherefore by the fragrance of the gifts God has given thee, thou didst dispel the stench of our souls’ passions.” In the characteristically terse liturgical language of the Orthodox Latin West, the same might be rendered, “and grant that, by the merits of thy blessed Martyr Myron, our souls may be delivered from passions.”

Or try the kontakion of Saint Anastasia: “For Christ has given thee strength which flows to us as a stream of grace, O Virgin Martyr Anastasia.” Her “strength” comes directly from Christ; and through her intercession, it flows to us “as a stream of grace.” Is this very different from the idea of “pleading the merits” of Saint Anastasia?

Also, a very knowledgeable priest told me something rather interesting about the Greek version of the Liturgy of Saint Peter (that is, the medieval Byzantinized version of the Roman Mass). The word merita in the collect Oramus te (in the beginning of the Mass) was rendered as praxis (“works” or “deeds”).

Of course modern Western Rite Orthodox have been aware of the unfortunate connotations which the word “merit” has come to have. In the practice of the Western Rite Vicariate, the term is usually replaced with “prayers” or “intercession,” or better yet translated as “triumphs” or “righteousness” (J. M. Neale, in translating the first line of the Office Hymn Sanctorum meritis, had “The triumphs of the Saints”).

But since Father Turner’s explanation does not seem to be historically tenable, perhaps it’s time for us to stop “censoring” the ancient Collects?
 
So, without having made a thorough study of it, but judging from Brown’s hints, it seems to me that “merit” is very roughly equivalent to “holiness,” “sanctity,” “righteousness” but it is still almost impossible to translate into English. Notice that Brown, in the footnote above, translates three simple words “vir potens meritis” as “a man powerful in his standing in Heaven”!

My hunch is that, when in a Collect we pray that we may be aided by a Saint’s “merits” we mean that his advocacy for us is connected to his own personal holiness, his righteousness, and more specifically (if Brown’s translation is correct) his standing in the heavenly court before God … much like we would ask a friend, who has a personal relationship with a very powerful ruler, to intercede with him on our behalf and vouch for us.

I get the image of a sinner in the heavenly court, cowering behind a very holy man who is powerful and influential with God. We want to associate our own sorry selves with the “merits” (the goodness, the faithfulness, the righteousness, the power, the influence) of this holy man and we want him to put in a good word for us before this awful Judge. And we are assured that we will be pardoned because this holy man has a personal standing with the Judge himself.

Of course, all this may seem far too “legalistic” “juridical” or “forensic” for the partisans of the mystical Orient … but given that much of the New Testament is written using such language, I think it should be defensible.

It is also interesting to look for equivalents for this notion of the “merits” of the Saints in Eastern liturgical texts.

For instance, a randomly picked troparion for the holy Hieromartyr Myron reads “Wherefore by the fragrance of the gifts God has given thee, thou didst dispel the stench of our souls’ passions.” In the characteristically terse liturgical language of the Orthodox Latin West, the same might be rendered, “and grant that, by the merits of thy blessed Martyr Myron, our souls may be delivered from passions.”

Or try the kontakion of Saint Anastasia: “For Christ has given thee strength which flows to us as a stream of grace, O Virgin Martyr Anastasia.” Her “strength” comes directly from Christ; and through her intercession, it flows to us “as a stream of grace.” Is this very different from the idea of “pleading the merits” of Saint Anastasia?

Also, a very knowledgeable priest told me something rather interesting about the Greek version of the Liturgy of Saint Peter (that is, the medieval Byzantinized version of the Roman Mass). The word merita in the collect Oramus te (in the beginning of the Mass) was rendered as praxis (“works” or “deeds”).

Of course modern Western Rite Orthodox have been aware of the unfortunate connotations which the word “merit” has come to have. In the practice of the Western Rite Vicariate, the term is usually replaced with “prayers” or “intercession,” or better yet translated as “triumphs” or “righteousness” (J. M. Neale, in translating the first line of the Office Hymn Sanctorum meritis, had “The triumphs of the Saints”).

But since Father Turner’s explanation does not seem to be historically tenable, perhaps it’s time for us to stop “censoring” the ancient Collects?
The Problem: the Orthodox read the texts you quote without any reference to a “merit” system. How do you suppose our forebears did not? The fact that the WRO change the word from merit to prayer, shows that the thinking is not acceptable from an Orthodox viewpoint, and it would seem from the related uniate viewpoint as well. Btw, prayer is a work.

Also, the hymn “Dies irae” would have been written by the time of the invention of the treasury of merits, yet it has the line
Quid sum miser tunc dicturus?
Quem patronum rogaturus,
cum vix justus sit securus?

The free translation (nihil obstat, imprematur) of the St. Joseph missal '61):
O what shall I, so guilty, plead?
And who for me will intercede?
When even Saints shall comfort need?

As St. Seraphim of Sarov, cited by JP II of blessed memory, said “Save yourself, and thousand around you will be saved.” Now, he neither understood that meaning he had no need of Christ, but nor that the merits he accrued were applied to a treasury to be doled out.

Interesting question: since the “Russian Catholic” rite didn’t exist until 1905, is St. Seraphim now a saint with Rome?
 
It is true that “modern” Orthodox don’t believe in the Merits of the Saints but I would point to that being an innovation started in the late 1800’s when all kinds of changes entered “modern” Orthodoxy in an attempt to divorce themselves from traditional Christianity and differentiate themselves from Catholicism. I, personally, believe they err’ed.
 
It is true that “modern” Orthodox don’t believe in the Merits of the Saints but I would point to that being an innovation started in the late 1800’s when all kinds of changes entered “modern” Orthodoxy in an attempt to divorce themselves from traditional Christianity and differentiate themselves from Catholicism. I, personally, believe they err’ed.
Divorce themselves from traditional Christianity? That’s a bit rich.

Said “changes” to differentiate ourselves from the Latins were the shaking off of the Western Captivity of the Church, and reinvigorating the phronema of the Orthodox fathers. On a related note, I’ll point out that the idea of satisfaction didn’t exist untill the Captivity had begun:

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It is true that “modern” Orthodox don’t believe in the Merits of the Saints but I would point to that being an innovation started in the late 1800’s when all kinds of changes entered “modern” Orthodoxy in an attempt to divorce themselves from traditional Christianity and differentiate themselves from Catholicism. I, personally, believe they err’ed.
With all due respect, I have to disagree. If there ever was a teaching of supererogatory merits in Orthodoxy, it was a Western influence. I am unaware of any, though.

Prayers and petitions,
Alexius:cool:
 
It is true that “modern” Orthodox don’t believe in the Merits of the Saints but I would point to that being an innovation started in the late 1800’s when all kinds of changes entered “modern” Orthodoxy in an attempt to divorce themselves from traditional Christianity and differentiate themselves from Catholicism. I, personally, believe they err’ed.
I have to say, personally, that your assumptions are highly imaginitive.

If such changes had occurred in 19th century Orthodoxy, you can bet there would have been a hell of a row over it, and ample contemporary evidence about the conflict.

The fact is, no such school of thought could hijack all of Orthodoxy and cause monks, bishops and laypeople in all the remote corners to ‘forget’ the old teachings.

Not a peep out of Athos, with it’s 18+ independently organized monasteries. Nor from St Catherine’s in Sinai, as an autocephalous church, not obliged to accept theological mandates from ANY other authority.

The Old Believers know nothing of this, separated from and often (in the past) hostile to the Moscow Patriarchate. Certainly they would have had much to say on the subject.

No, I suspect (respectfully, as I respect you tremendously) that this is just another case where a Latin rite Christian is imposing his own understanding of how ideas can change (as indeed, they might in the Roman Catholic Church) upon the Orthodox.

We simply do not rely on the same mechanisms for distributing ‘New Light’ as the western church does.

Michael
 
It is true that “modern” Orthodox don’t believe in the Merits of the Saints but I would point to that being an innovation started in the late 1800’s when all kinds of changes entered “modern” Orthodoxy in an attempt to divorce themselves from traditional Christianity and differentiate themselves from Catholicism. I, personally, believe they err’ed.
I have to say, personally, that your assumptions are highly imaginitive.

If such changes had occurred in 19th century Orthodoxy, you can bet there would have been a hell of a row over it, and ample contemporary evidence about the conflict.

The fact is, no school of thought could hijack all of Orthodoxy and cause monks, bishops and laypeople in all the remote corners to ‘forget’ the old teachings.

Not a peep out of Athos, with it’s 18+ independently organized monasteries. Nor from St Catherine’s in Sinai, as an autocephalous church, not obliged to accept theological mandates from ANY other authority.

The Old Believers know nothing of a change, separated from and often (in the past) hostile to the Moscow Patriarchate for hundreds of years. Certainly they would have had much to say on the subject.

No, I suspect (respectfully, as I respect you tremendously) that this is just another case where a Latin rite Christian is imposing his own understanding of how ideas can change (as indeed, they might in the Roman Catholic Church) upon the Orthodox.

We simply do not rely on the same mechanisms for distributing ‘New Light’ as the western church does.

Michael
 
The biggest problem with the “Treasury of Merits” is that it is highly transactional. The “Merits” are are assumed to be ‘heaped up’ in some way, as if a commodity.

This model of thought is very commercial, as in trading and banking. I don’t see THIS at all in earlier Christian understanding.

Pick up an old Raccolta, and take a look. Each exercise has a value, it is the Blue Book of prayers. By using such a method a Pope could influence the growth and spread of certain devotions, a form of social engineering.

It’s something like the reasons modern governments give tax breaks. It can be public policy to influence the behavior of individuals.

I know that the Roman Catholic Church has withdrawn the Raccolta. This is in a way an acknowledgment and move toward the earlier Christian (particularly Eastern) understanding.

In Orthodox understanding, the benefit of a prayer or devotion is in the doing. Nothing is measured or arbitrarily valued, no special points are awarded. The Lord Himself will know the sincerity of the petitioner and intercessor and judge for himself whether he shall grant mercy or justice.

Traditionalist Catholics seem to be having a hard time with this idea, and reprints of the old Raccolta are still enjoying brisk sales.

Michael
 
HM,

Not sure what you’re quoting, but it isn’t an Eastern documennt.

Alexius,

Although there have been instances in which the concept has been introduced to the East through latinization, it has no history in the East afaik.

Many years,

Neil
Here is an Eastern document:
2 Cor 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive recompense, according to what he did in the body, whether good or evil.
 
Here is an Eastern document:
2 Cor 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive recompense, according to what he did in the body, whether good or evil.
That has nothing to do with the Treasury of Merits or indulgences.
 
The biggest problem with the “Treasury of Merits” is that it is highly transactional. The “Merits” are are assumed to be ‘heaped up’ in some way, as if a commodity.

This model of thought is very commercial, as in trading and banking. I don’t see THIS at all in earlier Christian understanding.

Pick up an old Raccolta, and take a look. Each exercise has a value, it is the Blue Book of prayers. By using such a method a Pope could influence the growth and spread of certain devotions, a form of social engineering.

It’s something like the reasons modern governments give tax breaks. It can be public policy to influence the behavior of individuals.

I know that the Roman Catholic Church has withdrawn the Raccolta. This is in a way an acknowledgment and move toward the earlier Christian (particularly Eastern) understanding.

In Orthodox understanding, the benefit of a prayer or devotion is in the doing. Nothing is measured or arbitrarily valued, no special points are awarded. The Lord Himself will know the sincerity of the petitioner and intercessor and judge for himself whether he shall grant mercy or justice.

Traditionalist Catholics seem to be having a hard time with this idea, and reprints of the old Raccolta are still enjoying brisk sales.

Michael
The Raccolta did not attempt to quantify the value or merit of the prayers in it; it merely assigned indulgences, which have to do with the remission of temporal punishment.
 
The Raccolta did not attempt to quantify the value or merit of the prayers in it; it merely assigned indulgences, which have to do with the remission of temporal punishment.
Yes, of course, but that is the effect anyway. Assigning indulgences is a value judgment, whether intended or not. It has an enormous effect upon people whose preferred devotions will be the most indulgenced.

The theoretical justification for it is the accumulated ‘merits’ of the saints. I don’t think any such theory was ever necessary. What opportunity did the first Christians have to gain indulgences, when they had no predecessors to “accumulate” merits for them?

Not only that, the theory of satisfaction which drives the entire theory comes out of the medieval period just after the time of the great schism, specifically from Anselm, a Lombard-Italian monk. That is a good earlier example of an outside idea of logic being introduced into theology.

The complex of ideas is foreign to the East, and I would say the whole early church.

Michael
 
On the Nativity of the Lord, I don’t believe it is appropriate to debate these challenges of the orthodoxy of Indulgences, the Treasury of Merits, etc.

Leave it to be said, far too many Roman Catholics on this forum are ‘modern’ and simply don’t know Traditional Roman Catholicism nor the roots of these teachings. It’s a real shame.
 
On the Nativity of the Lord, I don’t believe it is appropriate to debate these challenges of the orthodoxy of Indulgences, the Treasury of Merits, etc.

Leave it to be said, far too many Roman Catholics on this forum are ‘modern’ and simply don’t know Traditional Roman Catholicism nor the roots of these teachings. It’s a real shame.
Sorry if you’re offended, some of us are on the Old Calendar…:o Others are saying that they do not feel it is part of their tradition, not that it is wrong per se…

I’m not sure I understand the last part…We’re talking about Eastern Catholics and whether or not these are part of their tradition (which follows Orthodox thought), not whether or not Roman Catholics understand it…🙂
 
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