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I was reading the Church’s position on indulgences. It gave me a bad feeling. It makes doing a devotion or another good deed feel mercenary. " I’m just doing it to get a remission of sins." What do you think? Am I overreacting?
 
I was reading the Church’s position on indulgences. It gave me a bad feeling. It makes doing a devotion or another good deed feel mercenary. " I’m just doing it to get a remission of sins." What do you think? Am I overreacting?
Mercenary (Collins) 1. influenced by greed or desire for gain.

The desire to make reparations for sin as well as making those reparations is good, both for oneself and for the faithfully departed.

Catechism of the Catholic Church: 1472 To understand this doctrine and practice of the Church, it is necessary to understand that sin has a double consequence. Grave sin deprives us of communion with God and therefore makes us incapable of eternal life, the privation of which is called the “eternal punishment” of sin. On the other hand every sin, even venial, entails an unhealthy attachment to creatures, which must be purified either here on earth, or after death in the state called Purgatory. This purification frees one from what is called the “temporal punishment” of sin. These two punishments must not be conceived of as a kind of vengeance inflicted by God from without, but as following from the very nature of sin. A conversion which proceeds from a fervent charity can attain the complete purification of the sinner in such a way that no punishment would remain.84 **

1473** The forgiveness of sin and restoration of communion with God entail the remission of the eternal punishment of sin, but temporal punishment of sin remains. While patiently bearing sufferings and trials of all kinds and, when the day comes, serenely facing death, the Christian must strive to accept this temporal punishment of sin as a grace. He should strive by works of mercy and charity, as well as by prayer and the various practices of penance, to put off completely the “old man” and to put on the "new man."85
From Pope Paul VI - Indulgentiarum Doctrina - Doctrine on Indulgences - 1 January 1967:
8. The remission of the temporal punishment due for sins already forgiven insofar as their guilt is concerned has been called specifically “indulgence.”[37]

It has something in common with other ways or means of eliminating the vestiges of sin but at the same time it is clearly distinct from them.
In an indulgence in fact, the Church, making use of its power as minister of the Redemption of Christ, not only prays but by an authoritative intervention dispenses to the faithful suitably disposed the treasury of satisfaction which Christ and the saints won for the remission of temporal punishment.[38]

The aim pursued by ecclesiastical authority in granting indulgences is not only that of helping the faithful to expiate the punishment due sin but also that of urging them to perform works of piety, penitence and charity–particularly those which lead to growth in faith and which favor the common good.[39]

And if the faithful offer indulgences in suffrage for the dead, they cultivate charity in an excellent way and while raising their minds to heaven, they bring a wiser order into the things of this world.
The Magisterium of the Church has defended and illustrated this doctrine in various documents.[40] Unfortunately, the practice of indulgences has at times been improperly used either through “untimely and superfluous indulgences” by which the power of the keys was humiliated and penitential satisfaction weakened,[41] or through the collection of “illicit profits” by which indulgences were blasphemously defamed[42] But the Church, in deploring and correcting these improper uses “teaches and establishes that the use of indulgences must be preserved because it is supremely salutary for the Christian people and authoritatively approved by the sacred councils; and it condemns with anathema those who maintain the uselessness of indulgences or deny the power of the Church to grant them.”[43]
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Indulgences is more for the remission of the temporal punishment of sins, whether in part or full. The eternal punishment of sins was paid by Christ for the repentant.

They are like super-penance, in a way.
 
I was reading the Church’s position on indulgences. It gave me a bad feeling. It makes doing a devotion or another good deed feel mercenary. " I’m just doing it to get a remission of sins." What do you think? Am I overreacting?
First, a small but important point has to be made before we get to the mercenary idea, and that is that indulgences aren’t obtained for the remission of sins, but for the remission of the penance that needs to be done after a sin has been forgiven. This shows up in the definition of the Catechism: “An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven.” (CCC 1471)

When it is made clear that indulgences only concern the temporal debt left over after a sin has been forgiven (and in terms of the Sacrament of Confession that’s what we call the “penance”), it is easier to see why this isn’t mercenary. Your sin has to have already been forgiven once you go to get the indulgence; but the penance for it that you’ll have to undergo in Purgatory (if you don’t do something about it in this life) still needs to be dealt with; and when you, by grace, are moved to do something of great spiritual benefit to the Church, through prayer, or pilgrimage, or whatever, the Church may loose you from your temporal debt, because the Church has the power to bind or to loose. Anyway I hope that helps you understand the teaching on indulgences and why there’s nothing mercenary about it, in part because it’s not about getting remission for your sins, since for the indulgence to work the sin has to already be forgiven. God bless!
 
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satan is guilt, works on that guilt and tries to get us not to repent our sins, not to carry out Jesus’ most loving kind works and deeds for others, to throw the towel in on sins using guilt etc.

The steps Jesus has taught us, through His Bible, the Churches He formed while here on Earth and through His Disciples and Apostles are:
  1. Attend Mass and Church
  2. Pray for forgiveness with Rosary Beads if possible (even between attending Reconciliation) at the time sins are committed and through our lives when He has jogged our memories on those sins that require His forgiveness through His Divine Love and Mercy. Try to not re-visit those sins Jesus has forgiven, which satan tries to tempt us to do from time to time. Keep Jesus and Mother Mary’s Holy Images around you to combat satan’s attempts of this.
  3. Attend Reconciliation regularly (weekly if possible)
  4. Fasting - this is a must that I need to do myself more regularly abstaining from the junk food that satan tempts us with, works through (Oh yes “it” does without many people realising this), exercise and look after our health and bodies.
  5. Drinking loads of water (Mother Mary prompts me often to do this while praying The Holy Rosary).
  6. Of course, following Jesus’ Commandments as much as possible.
It is much better for our Souls to continually confess our sins being remorseful and genuine along the way now than not doing so, leaving it until we die and face up to the dirtiness of our Souls to our Lord, particularly when we risk not many praying for our Souls to Jesus for His Love, Mercy and Forgiveness at that time. What then? Sit in Purgatory until all of the Good most loving selfless people (here on CA and around the World) pray to Jesus for all souls in Purgatory? That is wonderful and of the most loving assistance, however, it is a great deal more easier to help our Souls now while we have the opportunity.
 
I was reading the Church’s position on indulgences. It gave me a bad feeling. It makes doing a devotion or another good deed feel mercenary. " I’m just doing it to get a remission of sins." What do you think? Am I overreacting?
If you do something primarily for personal benefit, rather than out of love for another, then yes, there’s a mercenary – or, let’s say, self-serving – aspect there. It is most commendable when we do good deeds out of a sense of philanthropy; less commendable the more we are doing them for personal gain, or out of fear of punishment if we don’t. Oh, it’s still commendable under those circumstances too … just less so. No getting around that.
 
I was reading the Church’s position on indulgences. It gave me a bad feeling. It makes doing a devotion or another good deed feel mercenary. " I’m just doing it to get a remission of sins." What do you think? Am I overreacting?
Try thinking about where the indulgence comes from ultimately…

And what it ultimately does for you and for the holy souls you offer it for…

To get to Heaven sooner, to relieve pains and punishments…
 
If you do something primarily for personal benefit, rather than out of love for another, then yes, there’s a mercenary – or, let’s say, self-serving – aspect there. It is most commendable when we do good deeds out of a sense of philanthropy; less commendable the more we are doing them for personal gain, or out of fear of punishment if we don’t. Oh, it’s still commendable under those circumstances too … just less so. No getting around that.
I agree with this. To add on, it’s kind of like perfect vs. imperfect contrition. Imperfect contrition + confession will remit your sins, but we should still be striving for perfect contrition.
 
Can anyone give me a site that lists all the indulgences?
Thanks
 
You guys are awesome!
But can I get one in English? I did take four years of Latin in high school, but that was very long ago…
 
I was reading the Church’s position on indulgences. It gave me a bad feeling. It makes doing a devotion or another good deed feel mercenary. " I’m just doing it to get a remission of sins." What do you think? Am I overreacting?
Yes.
 
I was reading the Church’s position on indulgences. It gave me a bad feeling. It makes doing a devotion or another good deed feel mercenary. " I’m just doing it to get a remission of sins." What do you think? Am I overreacting?
Indulgences do not remit sins; they remit the temporal consequences of the already remitted sins. 🙂

Only those who die in a state of grace are in purgatory.

When you commit a sin after baptism, there is a temporal punishment you must pay.

An example: A lapsed Catholic murders a man. His temporal punishment is life in prison. He confesses the sin (with true repentance) and is absolved. He still must pay the temporal punishment either in prison for life or in purgatory.

We can offer our penance, sufferings, prayers, and indulgences on behalf of our sins or others’ sins to lessen purgatory.

An indulgence pays for our temporal punishments that we earn from sin that we commit. When we die, if we have not paid for all of our temporal punishments, we will pay for them in purgatory.

A partial indulgence remits part of our temporal punishment. A plenary indulgence remits all of our temporal punishment we have earned up to that point.

Note: Baptism remits all sins and temporal punishment. Confession remits only sins.

We can gain indulgences for the poor souls in purgatory and pray for them.
 
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