Indult Implementation

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Anna Elizabeth:
Why am I not surprised? :rolleyes:

Detroiter, I happen to be exceptionally interested in the differences among Eucharistic Prayers, although this may seem a strange interest.

Could you give me a reference for this super-activity in the Netherlands following VII? I’d really like to be able to get this in print so that I can show others that "messing around’ with the Eucharistic Prayers was a major part of the post-VII liturgical agenda. 😦
Try this from Adoremus

God bless,

Anna
 
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TNT:
Thanks for the Adoremus link, TNT. I wanted info, and that certainly provided it, depressing as it was. 😦

In retrospect, I wonder if the European (read nothern European) Fathers and periti didn’t see the handwriting on the wall, i.e., a Europe about to go down the tube, and were grabbing at novelties in a futile attempt to shore up their crumbling foundation.

If so, it didn’t work for them, and has caused us 40 years of confusion. I’m optimistic enough, tho, to think that we can pull it out of the fire yet, thanks to an increasingly impatient and vocal US laity and the timely advent of the internet!

Anna
 
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mrblue:
Every parish should have a tridentine rite Mass every Sunday. If this were done, Catholics would slowly come to recognize it as a superior expression of reverence and holiness, and would gradually abandon the sentimentality and congregationalist hoo-hah of the Novus Ordo. As the current generation of bishops gratefully slips into retirement, all things become possible.
and “all things” may be beginning tomorrow… when an
English priest to celebrate Latin Mass in St Peter’s

By Jonathan Petre, Religion Correspondent

An English priest will this week celebrate what is believed to be the first Tridentine Rite Mass for 20 years in St Peter’s in Rome, the heart of the Roman Catholic Church. Fr Andrew Southwell. The historic service, hailed as a breakthrough by traditionalists, will be led by Fr Andrew Southwell on Friday, a month after the Pope lifted a long-standing ban on the “Old Rite” in the world’s most famous church. Devotees of the Tridentine Rite, which was virtually outlawed after the Second Vatican Council in the 1960s, believe that the Pope is now poised to relax restrictions on the traditional Mass throughout the world.

Speculation is mounting that he will grant a “universal indult” to allow all priests to celebrate the Mass without first having to gain permission from their bishops. Under the Old Rite, which dates from the 1570 Council of Trent, the priest says high Mass facing east with his back to the congregation, intoning the Latin liturgy in clouds of incense. Since Vatican II, however, the rite has been displaced by Mass in the vernacular, which traditionalists believe lacks the mystery of its predecessor.
Although individual bishops can authorise its use, a significant number discourage it because it has been favoured by traditionalists who oppose Vatican II reforms. The Tridentine Rite was associated with the late Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, who founded the traditionalist Pius X Society and was excommunicated after illegally consecrating bishops.

The St Peter’s service is the latest in a series of concessions to traditionalists which suggest the Pope is relaxing the Vatican’s opposition to the rite and seeking a rapprochement with the society.
On Saturday Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos will hold a Tridentine Rite Mass in St Mary Major, the first cardinal to do so in a main Roman basilica for 30 years. Last month the Pope, who is keen to heal the rift with traditionalists, published a command permitting the use of the old Latin rite in St Peter’s. Members of the Latin Mass Society will leave on a pilgrimage to Rome today for what the society believes will be the first Old Rite service in St. Peter’s since 1984, certainly by an English priest. They will also attend the Saturday service said by Cardinal Hoyos.

Fr Southwell, a Benedictine monk based at St Bede’s church in Clapham Park, south London, will preside at the morning service in the crypt of Our Lady of Hungary chapel before a congregation of about 60 or 70 pilgrims. “As a priest, to be able to offer the traditional Roman rite of the Mass at the tomb of St Peter is an immense privilege,” he said. “It represents a great breakthrough for traditionalists and a sign of hope. Not only is our existence being acknowledged but we are being encouraged.”
 
I think that a lot of people would welcome the Tridentine Mass being said more widely.

Someone told me, that in 1975(yes, SEVENTY-FIVE!) that about 1500 people in the Diocese of Davenport, Iowa signed a petition to bring the Tridentine Mass back.

A lot of people are just scared to ask.
 
I just wnet through a major thing in my diocese. If allowing the TLM to be said easily would bring more people to church, that would be great.

I am talking about a major thing in my diocese, there should have been many people there. Me and my girlfriend, me in my late 20’s were the youngest couple there.

Mass attendance is down. If it brings the people back to mass, so be it.
 
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GoLatin:
about 1500 people in the Diocese of Davenport, Iowa signed a petition to bring the Tridentine Mass back.
1500 in a diocese of how many? Tens of thousands? Hundreds of thousands?

The demand would surely be an order of magnitude less today.
 
rcn said:
1500 in a diocese of how many? Tens of thousands? Hundreds of thousands?

The demand would surely be an order of magnitude less today.

Indeed, the Scriptures refer to that as THE REMNANT.
 
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TNT:
Indeed, the Scriptures refer to that as THE REMNANT.
I doubt Holy Mother Church, the Custodian and Interpreter of Holy Writ, would agree with your rather novel assessment.
 
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JKirkLVNV:
I doubt Holy Mother Church, the Custodian and Interpreter of Holy Writ, would agree with your rather novel assessment.
So, how much is your “doubt” worth, exactly?
 
netmil(name removed by moderator):
The younger families want, not only the TLM but a more traditional NO!
I totally agree here. I wouldn’t feel a need to attend a TLM if the NO wasn’t so plagued with abuses. Unfortunately there are no TLM’s in my city, the closest Indult is in Flint (about an hour away). I wish every parish could have a TLM at least once a month, but I understand there may be logistical problems with that.
 
I don’t mean to sound ignorant, but I am ignorant. What’s it mean, “Indult”?
 
From what I understand its the permission from a Bishop for a parish or priest to perform the TLM as long as its IAW the proper laws.
 
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