Indult needed for private celebration according to 1962 Missal?

[Marie]

DominvsVobiscvm:

Actually, that’s exactly what I’m saying.

No Catholic, strictly speaking, has a “right” to the Tridentine Mass.

OK! Now I think I understand what you were saying. Must be the several generation gap thing going on…LOL! It read like you were accusing him in old english(I am pretty old after all)…LOL! Maybe we do need the latin…It’s a static language unlike English which changes meaning day by day. (Just joking)

But seriously, you are correct, no Catholic has the right to the Tridentine Mass. That makes perfect sense to me. Thanks for your patients.

 

[DominvsVobiscvm]

But seriously, you are correct, no Catholic has the right to the Tridentine Mass. That makes perfect sense to me. Thanks for your patients.

I think you mean “patience”

Just to remove any doubt on the matter, here’s the official word from the Pontifical Ecclesia Dei Commission:

You also state in your letter that the Holy Father has given you a “right” to the Mass according to the 1962 Roman Missal. This is not correct. It is true that he has asked his brother Bishops to be generous in providing for the celebration of this Mass, but he has not stated that it is a “right”. Presently it constitutes an exception to the Church’s law and may be granted when the local Bishop judges it to be a valid pastoral service and when he has the priests who are available to celebrate it. Every Catholic has a right to the sacraments (cf. Code of Canon Law, canon 843), but he does not have a right to them according to the rite of his choice.

Anyone who says different is from the devil.

 

[Marie]

DominvsVobiscvm:

I think you mean “patience”

Anyone who says different is from the devil.

I never doubted it anyway…who was that masked demon that suggested this anyway? LOL! I don’t think he came back to join in his confusion. HMMM! St. Michael must have scared him off.

And at this time of night and at my age, if I don’t get to bed…the word will be Patient. Nighty Noodle! As we ggm’s say. Good chatting with you. Tell whats his handle Hi if he ever shows up again. Name escapes me…but at this time of the morning…my brains shutting down before my body does.

 

[Lonevoice]

In his 1980 letter to the Bishops on the Holy Eucharist, Pope John Paul II said: “There are also those people who, having been educated on the basis of the old liturgy in Latin, experience the lack of this ‘one language’, which in all the world was an expression of the unity of the Church and which, through its dignified character, elicited a profound sense of the Eucharistic mystery. It is therefore necessary to show, not only understanding, but also full respect towards these sentiments and desires. As far as possible, these sentiments and desires are to be accommodated.”

“To all those Catholic faithful who feel attached to some previous liturgical and disciplinary forms of the Latin tradition, I wish to manifest my will to facilitate their ecclesial communion by means of the necessary measures to guarantee respect for their rightful aspirations.”

Pope John Paul II, Motu Proprio “Ecclesia Dei,” July 2, 1988.

In 1988, Pope John Paul II issued his binding instruction Ecclesia Dei Adflicta. The Pope ordered: “Respect must everywhere be shown for the feelings of all those who are attached to the Latin liturgical tradition by a wide and generous application of the directives already issued by the Apostolic See.”

This instruction grants a privilege to Catholics under Canon Law. Cardinal Mayer, the former head of the Vatican Commission Ecclesia Dei, said the Pope had spoken of the “lawfulness” of the Tridentine Mass and of the “legitimate aspiration” of Catholics to celebrate or attend that Mass. “Hence a privilege in the canonical sense of the term was granted to the faithful by the supreme legislator of the Church,” said Cardinal Mayer. “Once a privilege is duly granted, the subject indeed has the right to benefit from it.”

(Please reread the last few lines of the above quote!)

I realize that the above aren’t directly related to the need for an indult, but
here’s an essay more in tune with the ‘permission’ aspect of this subject:

catholicliturgy.com/index.cfm/FuseAction/ArticleText/Index/65/SubIndex/111/ArticleIndex/37

 

[Ichthus]

Catholic2003:

By “privately”, do you mean by the priest alone, without any member of the faithful in attendance?

No, faithful can be in attendance.

A public Mass is

1.) In a place of worship. A Church or oratory, for example

2.) A private Mass would be in a private home for a just reason, or a rectory, or a chapel.

Collections are not allowed at a private Mass

“A priest may not celebrate without the participation of at least some member of the faithful, except for a just and reasonable cause.” Can 906

So they o need someone assisting, even at a private Mass. The main distinction is that it is not said in a parish Church or oratory. Not sure if it counts for the Obligation

 

[Chris_in_Mich]

I know of a Priest who retired and got married who celebrates mass privately in private homes. He told me the mass is a valid mass, though it may be illegal on some level. When he retired he was told that he could not celebrate mass publicly, and it was up to him to decide what that means.

This Priest only celebrates the Novus Ordo as far as I know, but may help with the public/private question.