Inerrant Bible

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Vatican** Council II, Dei Verbum**, 1965

“9. Sacred Scripture is the speech of God as it is put down in writing under the breath of the Holy Spirit.”

“11. Therefore since everything asserted by the inspired authors or sacred writers must be held to be asserted by the Holy Spirit, it follows that the books of Scripture must be acknowledged as teaching solidly, faithfully and without error that truth which God wanted put into the sacred writings5 for the sake of our salvation. Therefore “all Scripture is divinely inspired and has its use for teaching the truth and refuting error, for reformation of manners and discipline in right living, so that the man who belongs to God may be efficient and equipped for good work of every kind” (2 Tim. 3:16-17)

Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1994

107. The inspired books teach the truth. "Since therefore all that the inspired authors or sacred writers affirm should be regarded as affirmed by the Holy Spirit, we must acknowledge that the books of Scripture firmly, faithfully, and without error teach that truth which God, for the sake of our salvation, wished to see confided to the Sacred Scriptures."72

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Footnote 72 from the CCC references Dei Verbum, Paragraph 11 which in turn references both Providentissimus Deus and Divino Afflante Spiritu in footnote 5. These latter two documents specifically teach that the Bible contains no errors. Therefore, not only is there a clear link between all of these documents illustrating the consistency and uniformity of the Church’s teaching on this matter, but also it would make no sense for the CCC and Dei Verbum to reference these older works if, in fact, the Church was signaling a change in its position on this issue as is alleged by some. Any understanding to the contrary is a grave error.

Additionally, paragraph 107 specifically states that “all that the inspired authors affirm should be regarded as affirmed by the Holy Spirit”. The contention of modern scholars and theologians that scripture can possibly contain errors on matters that do not relate to our salvation is in direct contradiction to the word, “all” and puts the Holy Spirit in the position of having inspired and affirmed error as was noted in the passage from Providentissimus Deus quoted above.

Sadly, many may have looked for this single phrase, “for the sake of our salvation,” – which is found in a single paragraph of a single document from Vatican II – to open a door for their own pet ideas (ordination of women, acceptance of contraception, etc.), but this interpretation is out of sync with the historical teaching of the Church.

Consequently, I reject any argument from Protestant apologists hostile to the Catholic Church which suggests that the opinions of these Catholic theologians on this matter, regardless of their prominence, is evidence of confusion concerning the teaching of the Catholic Church on the inerrancy of the Bible, or that, as a result of the expression of these opinions, a lack of unity has been created among the Catholic faithful to the same degree and manner as is seen in Protestant denominationalism.
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THANK YOU!! :clapping:
 
I cannot find the original Randy Carson posting, which a helpful reiteration of the doctrine of the Church wrt infallibility and divine guidance in interpretation inter alia. But I see from the latest posting that he wrote:
Consequently, I reject any argument from Protestant apologists hostile to the Catholic Church which suggests that the opinions of these Catholic theologians on this matter, regardless of their prominence, is evidence of confusion concerning the teaching of the Catholic Church on the inerrancy of the Bible, or that, as a result of the expression of these opinions, a lack of unity has been created among the Catholic faithful to the same degree and manner as is seen in Protestant denominationalism.
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I have a slight problem in that a e-letter from Karl Keating this past week indicated there is in fact a major schism lurking within American Catholicism, and that he needs USD150,000 to mount a challenge from the most recent meeting of about 5,000 religious and laypeople who suggest there should be some liberalisation of the faith.

The email is titled **project **and I am sure you can get a copy from any of the moderators. It is most interesting and thought-provoking.

Are there any comments on this one, or do we still maintain that the reformed churches are the only ones with dissident beliefs?

Jabulani
 
So Carole did yu find the web site. Maybe for you a pilgramage may be in order.
 
Carol_Coombe said:
I have a slight problem in that a e-letter from Karl Keating this past week indicated there is in fact a major schism lurking within American Catholicism, and that he needs USD150,000 to mount a challenge from the most recent meeting of about 5,000 religious and laypeople who suggest there should be some liberalisation of the faith.

The email is titled **project **and I am sure you can get a copy from any of the moderators. It is most interesting and thought-provoking.

Are there any comments on this one, or do we still maintain that the reformed churches are the only ones with dissident beliefs?

Jabulani
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I am surprised no one has engaged yet with this question (above). The propositions by the religious and lay people at the conference on liberalisation are fascinating (as set out in the Keating letter), and comforting for those of us who find it hard to cling to more fundamentalist beliefs.

So far, we have dead silence: who is willing to take this question on?
 
Carol_Coombe said:
I am surprised no one has engaged yet with this question (above). The propositions by the religious and lay people at the conference on liberalisation are fascinating (as set out in the Keating letter), and comforting for those of us who find it hard to cling to more fundamentalist beliefs.

So far, we have dead silence: who is willing to take this question on?
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I can’t find the letter…link please?
 
Carol_Coombe said:
catholic.com/projects/wolves_in_sheeps_clothing.asp
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Thank you for your insights.

I am leaving the Forum and am grateful to all those who have helped me on my quest.

My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble minds. …*That deep emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God. *Albert Einstein

Carol Coombe

Christ work through me
Christ stand with me
Christ be in me
 
Carol_Coombe said:
I have a slight problem in that a e-letter from Karl Keating this past week indicated there is in fact a major schism lurking within American Catholicism, and that he needs USD150,000 to mount a challenge from the most recent meeting of about 5,000 religious and laypeople who suggest there should be some liberalisation of the faith.

Are there any comments on this one, or do we still maintain that the reformed churches are the only ones with dissident beliefs?
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I acknowledge that there are heretics who call themselves Catholic. But at what point do heretics cease to be Catholic? There are hundreds, if not thousands of churches all claiming to be the True Church. Historically speaking, have groups such as the Manicheans or the Donatists identified themselves as Catholic? When did the Protestants first stop identifying themselves as Catholic?
 
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