Inerrant Vulgate: Vatican or Clementine?

[Jehuty_X]

The numerous editions of the Clementine Vulgate of which I am aware all have punctuation and capitalization, e.g. the Leander van Ess edition, the Hetzenauer edition, the Vercellone edition, the Tweedale edition, the Colunga and Turrado edition.

Only the Stuttgart edition (the Beuron/Stuttgart Bible Societies text edited by Bonifatius Fischer in 1975), which is not properly a Vulgate edition at all, but is a Protestant critical edition, lacks punctuation and capitalization.

// curiously, are there any differences between the leander van ess edition, hetzenauer edition, vercellone edition, tweedale edition and colunga/turrado edition???

 

[David_Zampino]

HI Ron,

I don’t have a data base to throw at you. What I have stated is true, and is going to be helpful to the person asking the questions. I am just disappointed that you are at odds with the Vatican. Enjoy yourself.

Verbum

Pretty much my point of view as well.

Oh, well.

 

[David_Zampino]

The quotes above from the Council of Trent are not out of context.

Um, yeah, Ron, they were.

The Vulgate is not solely the work of Jerome.

I am well aware of this. But the bulk of what we know as the Vulgate is his work, or based on his work.

But if you wish to place so much emphasis on the Pope, and not on the text itself,

Certainly a gross misstatement of my position! I am not sure where you came up with this one . . .

then why not prefer the Pope Sixtus V edition of the Vulgate; he worked on the translation himself, and he approved it with his full Apostolic authority and he forbid anyone to change it. But the sensus fidelium did not accept that edition, just as the sensus fidelium has not accepted the Nova Vulgata.

Only if you define 'Sensus Fidelium" as “Ron Conte’s Personal Opinion”! You may – I certainly don’t!

How are you choosing to define “sensus fidelium”

It is foolish to place the temporal authority of the Church above the authority of Tradition and Scripture. Neither the Magisterium, nor the temporal authority, of the Church is above Tradition and Scripture. The mere fact that an edition of the Bible is approved does not prove that it is the best edition. The temporal authority of the Church is fallible.

1. Neither I, nor anyone else in this conversation (to the best of my understanding) has suggested that “approved” = “best edition”. That’s a red herring.
2. Your use and understanding of “temporal authority” is unclear at best. The teaching of the Magisterium is the authority by which we, as Catholic Christians, understand both Tradition and Scripture.

I have a question for you, and I’ve asked it in similar form before: Do you accept the teaching of the Catholic Church as espoused in the documents of Vatican II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church? Do you accept the teaching of the Ordinary Magisterium as expressed in the encyclicals of Pope John Paul II?

 

[NoelFitz]

David & Ron

In both of you we are fortunate to have two great scholars here in CA.

Please allow me to add my opinion about 1 Tim 2:11, as I am studying it at present. The key problem seems is in silentio or in tranquillatate the best translation.

Using BibleWorks 8 I have looked at about 35 English translations and all have in silence, quietly or something similar, except for one which has calmly.

I have five Latin translations, three have *in silentio *and two have in tranquillitate.

There are about 30 Greek versions and all have HSUXIA. The Exegetical Dictionary of the NT translates this as rest, stillness or* silence.* The Enhanced Strong’s Lexicon gives *silent *or quietness, while BAGD gives quietness, rest or silence.

Thus *in tranqiuillitate *or in silentio are suitable translations of the Greek, and *quietly or in silence * of the English.