Infallibility of the Liturgy

[Catholig]

While I haven’t read the new(ish) thread on the kneeling banner in its entirity (sp?), but I did read the first few posts, and one them, possibly that of the OPer said that he’d been told that Magisterium could make mistakes regarding the liturgy. The comment that the Magisterium could make an error regarding the liturgy didn’t seem right, simply because I don’t think a revision of the liturgy would necessarily make the former liturgy in error. It would just mean that it is different. If I’m not wrong, and I can be, the rules of the liturgy are similar to the prohibition of priestly marriage (which I fully support) - a law/rule/regulation imposed by the Church but not a moral law. Is this right?

Catholig

 

[rr1213]

What about the mistranslation of the Latin “pro multis” as “for all” in the English language NO liturgy as opposed to “for many”?

 

[Catholig]

What about the mistranslation of the Latin “pro multis” as “for all” in the English language NO liturgy as opposed to “for many”?

Yes, but you are assuming it is indeed a mistranslation and not just a change, and assuming it was an intentional change approved by magisterium, and not an abuse, 1) can “for many” be changed to “for all” legitimately being only a regulation of the physical church (such as priestly celebacy) 2) if they do have the right to change it (meaning that it is not metaphysic in anyway) does that mean the former was in error or the latter.

See you missed my entire question. My question is the following reason correct: The magisterium of the church can legitimately change the liturgy without either being in error presently, or by making the other former form invalid. An example would be could anyone say that the Liturgy w/o the Agnus Dei celebrated before its introduction by Pope Sergius I was invalid in retrospect or that the liturgy after its introduction was invalid? I think both were equally valid for their times, the magisterium being incapable of erring in matters pertaining to the liturgy because it is subject to the physical church.

Catholig

Sorry if this sounds repetitive I’m really tired.

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

While I haven’t read the new(ish) thread on the kneeling banner in its entirity (sp?), but I did read the first few posts, and one them, possibly that of the OPer said that he’d been told that Magisterium could make mistakes regarding the liturgy. The comment that the Magisterium could make an error regarding the liturgy didn’t seem right, simply because I don’t think a revision of the liturgy would necessarily make the former liturgy in error. It would just mean that it is different. If I’m not wrong, and I can be, the rules of the liturgy are similar to the prohibition of priestly marriage (which I fully support) - a law/rule/regulation imposed by the Church but not a moral law. Is this right?

Catholig

“OPer said that he’d been told that Magisterium could make mistakes regarding the liturgy”

Magisterium is the teaching authority of the Church. Liturgy is the public prayer of the Church. Are the two related? Well yes.

The Magisterium is expressed through the Liturgy. The Liturgy always reflects the teachings of the Church. The church cannot say or teach one thing and then do or act in the opposite way. However Magisteriun and Liturgy are not the same thing, but they do reflect each other.

The Church has the authroity to regulate, change the Liturgy, the public expression of Prayer in the Church. Can an individual priest, Bishop, or Bishops conference, Cardinal do so? No, Only the Holy See has the authority to do so.