Read this article from EWTN. It clearly shows that canonizations are infallible when a solemn canonization is made by a Pope and that those who were proclaimed saints by popular demand without a solemn canonization by a Pope are not infallible.Why are canonizations considered infallible?
And are the canonizations that were made before Rome took offer the process considered infallible? And if so, what is the justification for calling these infallible as well?
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Why do you think canonizations are infallible? Where does the Catholic Church teach this? Thanks.Why are canonizations considered infallible?
And are the canonizations that were made before Rome took offer the process considered infallible? And if so, what is the justification for calling these infallible as well?
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I don’t think that the link in post #2 is the last word. I say that because there is a problem concerning the fact that the Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholics do not agree 100% on their saints. So what would happen in the case of a reunion of the two Churches?Read the link in post #2.
At a canonization the Pope is speaking to the whole world on a matter regarding faith, and he intends at canonizations to proclaim a truth without possibility of error. It is therefore an infallible declaration.I don’t think that the link in post #2 is the last word. I say that because there is a problem concerning the fact that the Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholics do not agree 100% on their saints. So what would happen in the case of a reunion of the two Churches?
It is a problem if the Roman Catholic Church wants reunion with the Eastern Orthodox Church, since the EO do not accept some of the RC saints.At a canonization the Pope is speaking to the whole world on a matter regarding faith, and he intends at canonizations to proclaim a truth without possibility of error. It is therefore an infallible declaration.
The thread is about whether canonization is infallible and not about the EO’s problems.It is a problem if the Roman Catholic Church wants reunion with the Eastern Orthodox Church, since the EO do not accept some of the RC saints.
The RC Church has been pushing for reunion with the Eastern Orthodox. There have been all kinds of meetings,discussions, joint committees and conferences and exchanges set up for the purpose of realising this reunion. Now the fact is that the EO do not accept some of the RC saints. If the canonizations were infallible and if the EO do not accept them, then why would not all these efforts at reunion be an empty waste of time? But the RC Church does not consider these efforts to be a waste of time, so it looks like there might have to be some flexiblity and give on this issue of infallibility of canonizations by the RCC if they are serious about reunion.The thread is about whether canonization is infallible and not about the EO’s problems.
i find it doubtful that the Catholic Church would compromise the truth to bring back the EO. Besides, are the EO who are complaining ready to prove that the saints in question are actually in hell? What is their basis for complaint? Isn’t this just another example of the EO questioning Papal authority?The RC Church has been pushing for reunion with the Eastern Orthodox. There have been all kinds of meetings,discussions, joint committees and conferences and exchanges set up for the purpose of realising this reunion. Now the fact is that the EO do not accept some of the RC saints. If the canonizations were infallible and if the EO do not accept them, then why would not all these efforts at reunion be an empty waste of time? But the RC Church does not consider these efforts to be a waste of time, so it looks like there might have to be some flexiblity and give on this issue of infallibility of canonizations by the RCC if they are serious about reunion.
It is, but they also object to some of the Catholic saints.i find it doubtful that the Catholic Church would compromise the truth to bring back the EO. Besides, are the EO who are complaining ready to prove that the saints in question are actually in hell? What is their basis for complaint? Isn’t this just another example of the EO questioning Papal authority?
which ones? And why do they feel so strongly that they would jeopardize Christian unity? Do they really believe that some Catholic Saints are actually in Hell. And what would it say if the Pope said, " you are right, we erred on that Saint" wouldn’t that open up everything to question? There is no way that will be done. The Church is sure when they canonize, going to great lengths to ascertain whether the saint is actually in heaven. Why would the EO question this?It is, but they also object to some of the Catholic saints.
The criteria you note are not the criteria the Catholic Church teaches are required for infallibly teaching. Close, but not quite. See Canon Law 749.At a canonization the Pope is speaking to the whole world on a matter regarding faith, and he intends at canonizations to proclaim a truth without possibility of error. It is therefore an infallible declaration.
These are my own words to describe the same meaning.The criteria you note are not the criteria the Catholic Church teaches are required for infallibly teaching. Close, but not quite. See Canon Law 749.
ok, thanks.These are my own words to describe the same meaning.
There are quite a few RC saints, who are not listed as EO saints. For example, Aaron of Aleth, Abban of Magheranoidhe, Abban the Hermit, Abbo of Fleury, …, Zdislava Berka, Zofia Szydłowiecka, and Zygmunt Gorazdowski.which ones?
Well, that’'s not shocking. They’ve been separated since 1054 and it seems unlikely that any Catholic Saint since that time (including people like St. Francis of Assissi) would be included as an EO saint. Has any Saint been named from the Orthodox tradition by the Catholic Church since the Schism? Probably not. But that shouldn’t be an impediment to reunion unless someone wants an impediment.There are quite a few RC saints, who are not listed as EO saints. For example, Aaron of Aleth, Abban of Magheranoidhe, Abban the Hermit, Abbo of Fleury, …, Zdislava Berka, Zofia Szydłowiecka, and Zygmunt Gorazdowski.