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PatK63
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What are the infallible teachings of the church? The dogmas, teachings from the councils, the creeds, the Immaculate Conception of Mary and the Assumption of Mary? Are there more?
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The27thPsalm
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All that Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition teaches. There are many more than what you have listed, and a true exhaustive list can not be made. See the following links to learn more teachings: https://www.papalencyclicals.net Headings
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Vico
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There is an online list of the most well known doctrines from the Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma by Ludwig Ott.What are the infallible teachings of the church? The dogmas, teachings from the councils, the creeds, the Immaculate Conception of Mary and the Assumption of Mary? Are there more?
http://catholicapologetics.info/thechurch/councils/summary.htm
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@The27thPsalm
Those are not infallible teachings.
Those are not infallible teachings.
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@Vico
Didn’t those come from council?
Didn’t those come from council?
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Vico
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Many did. The de fide dogmas number 255 in Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma. However there are many other levels of certainty included. Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma references Enchiridion Symbolorum by Heinrich Denzinger (old numbering) which you can read here: Denzinger - English translation, older numbering@Vico
Didn’t those come from council?
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http://traditionalcatholic.net/Tradition/Information/Dogmas_of_the_Church.htmlWhat are the infallible teachings of the church? The dogmas, teachings from the councils, the creeds, the Immaculate Conception of Mary and the Assumption of Mary? Are there more?
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PatK63
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I was only asking about what is infallible taught. I think it has to be from a council or defined ex cathedra by the Pope.
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thistle
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All dogmas are infallible teachings.I was only asking about what is infallible taught. I think it has to be from a council or defined ex cathedra by the Pope.
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PatK63
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Right! As I indicated.
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Vico
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Those items marked in the list that are infallible (properly called dogmas) are marked with (De fide.) include:I was only asking about what is infallible taught. I think it has to be from a council or defined ex cathedra by the Pope.
1 scripture and tradition (contained in Revelation)
2 ex cathedra and ecumenical council
The others in the longer list are not infallible (called doctrines) and are marked with certainty such as:
3 Sent. fidei proxima
4 Sent. certa
5 Sent. communis
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PatK63
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Thanks! Thanks!
No. All teachings from the Ordinary Magisterium are also infallibly taught.I was only asking about what is infallible taught. I think it has to be from a council or defined ex cathedra by the Pope.
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PatK63
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Where did you read that because it isn’t so?
It is indeed so.Where did you read that because it isn’t so?
Vatican II Lumen Gentium par. 25.
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PatK63
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I agree as I said.
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PatK63
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Well it does not say all teachings from the Magisterium are infallible. When the bishops in unity with The Pope teach, this is what happens in
Councils, those teachings are infallible. Encyclicals are not infallible!
Well it does not say all teachings from the Magisterium are infallible. When the bishops in unity with The Pope teach, this is what happens in
Councils, those teachings are infallible. Encyclicals are not infallible!
That is what the Church means by Ordinary Magisterium. The Pope and Bishops in union with him united in teaching something in faith and morals, even when the bishops are dispersed throughout the world (that is to say, not in Ecumenical Council).@porthos11
Well it does not say all teachings from the Magisterium are infallible. When the bishops in unity with The Pope teach, this is what happens in
Councils, those teachings are infallible. Encyclicals are not infallible!
What Encyclicals have to do with this I have no idea why you even bring it up.
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PatK63
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In theory! I don’t think there is an infallible teaching that was agreed to by the bishops and pope outside a council. But I agree, there could be. I brought up encyclical because they are teachings from the pope that are not infallible but some people think they are.
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Re: Infallible statementsWhat are the infallible teachings of the church? The dogmas, teachings from the councils, the creeds, the Immaculate Conception of Mary and the Assumption of Mary? Are there more?
(all emphasis mine)
“Tests for whether a definition has been made include: (a) if a pope is writing, does he use the phrase “I define”? and (b) if a council is writing, does it use the phrase “let him be anathema”? If either of these is the case, it’s probably an infallible definition, especially as this language has been used in recent centuries.”
From: HERE
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