Infant baptism/confirmation

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In my tradition we practice “believers baptism” which occurs whenever the individual child realizes his/her need for a Savior and makes a conscious decision to follow Christ.
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Hi Wannano. I’m currently attending an evangelical protestant church that practices exactly what you just said. They don’t practice infant baptism and practice what is called Craedobaptism, which is also known as “adult baptism/believer’s baptism”. This idea originated with the Anabaptists, who Calvin, Luther, Zingwi persecuted. Today, you have evangelicals such as John McArthur who teach that infant baptism is unbiblical while holding on to what Calvin believed for TULIP, but not for his belief in infant baptism. Isn’t that interesting, my friend?

Calvin, Luther, Zingwi, and even John Wesley practiced, taught and supported infant baptism. You might want to look into that and question why your church doesn’t follow these “Bible only” Reformers who taught that Infant Baptism was biblical.

It’s not a Catholic answer, but I thought it was worth mentioning.
 
QUOTE=Cyril Of Canada;14276215]Hi Wannano. I’m currently attending an evangelical protestant church that practices exactly what you just said. They don’t practice infant baptism and practice what is called Craedobaptism, which is also known as “adult baptism/believer’s baptism”. This idea originated with the Anabaptists, who Calvin, Luther, Zingwi persecuted. Today, you have evangelicals such as John McArthur who teach that infant baptism is unbiblical while holding on to what Calvin believed for TULIP, but not for his belief in infant baptism. Isn’t that interesting, my friend?

Calvin, Luther, Zingwi, and even John Wesley practiced, taught and supported infant baptism. You might want to look into that and question why your church doesn’t follow these “Bible only” Reformers who taught that Infant Baptism was biblical.

It’s not a Catholic answer, but I thought it was worth mentioning.

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My point is that our churches are in error even among protestants because they don’t follow what the Reformers (Luther, Calvin, Zingwi, John Wesley) preached and practiced.

The substance of my argument here is that they are more in line with the Roman Catholic doctrine of baptism than our churches are 👍

In other words, infant baptism is biblical and in the truth; Our church’s teaching on infant baptism, not so much.
 
Cyril_Of_Canada said:
My point is that our churches are in error even among protestants because they don’t follow what the Reformers (Luther, Calvin, Zingwi, John Wesley) preached and practiced.

The substance of my argument here is that they are more in line with the Roman Catholic doctrine of baptism than our churches are 👍

In other words, infant baptism is biblical and in the truth; Our church’s teaching on infant baptism, not so much.
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Your lines of reasoning and deduction are way beyond the scope of my comprehension.

Your previous posts on other threads indicate you are becoming a Catholic. You might ask yourself why you would attend a church that is in error if you feel led to become a Catholic.
 
Wannano said:
Your previous posts on other threads indicate you are becoming a Catholic. You might ask yourself why you would attend a church that is in error if you feel led to become a Catholic.
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I won’t try to answer for him, but would you ask the same question of a Catholic who felt led to become Protestant?
 
Cyril_Of_Canada said:
My point is that our churches are in error even among protestants because they don’t follow what the Reformers (Luther, Calvin, Zingwi, John Wesley) preached and practiced.

The substance of my argument here is that they are more in line with the Roman Catholic doctrine of baptism than our churches are 👍

In other words, infant baptism is biblical and in the truth; Our church’s teaching on infant baptism, not so much.
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Hi!
…I was also confused, just a little… then I reread your profession of faith… Welcome Home! (I know… but you *are *on the Path!)

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Wannano said:
Your lines of reasoning and deduction are way beyond the scope of my comprehension.

Your previous posts on other threads indicate you are becoming a Catholic. You might ask yourself why you would attend a church that is in error if you feel led to become a Catholic.
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Hi!
…I think the difference lies in understanding and findings… some understand Scriptures through the filters of their church heads (pastor, elder, committee…); some allow the Holy Spirit to guide them into those findings (genuine contradictive teachings, circumvention of the Word, rejection of previous teachings that seem/are too Catholic, embracing new age spirituality breathed into existence by hollowood…) and, after their conscience is better informed they cease adhering to the “truth” construct–though they are cognizant of the Truth that is out there (Catholic Church) they are ambivalent due to the many issues that their Confession of Conscience Calls them to…

Putting aside years of indoctrination is not the same as divesting one’s self of error while embracing Truth… I find that when the true Believer allows the Holy Spirit’s Guidance he/she can in deed, as St. Paul tells us, keep what is good and embrace the Fullness of Faith!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Peter_J said:
I won’t try to answer for him, but would you ask the same question of a Catholic who felt led to become Protestant?
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Yes.if a Catholic came to the conviction that the CC was in error and yet continued attending all the while pointing out the error to his fellow Catholics while purporting that God has led him to Protestantism, yes, I would ask him the same question.
 
There’s always the local expression of faith, that could be not what the person believes is authentic. For example, a pro-life high church Anglican might be closest to a low church, openly liberal “Catholic” parish - a move would put this individual further from what they believe the Truth is in many respects.
 
Wannano said:
In my tradition we practice “believers baptism” which occurs whenever the individual child realizes his/her need for a Savior and makes a conscious decision to follow Christ. This happens at different ages for different individuals and is referred to as the age of reason or accountability.

With infant baptism I understand the reasoning to be that the infant is brought into the church by baptism and then in order for a walk of faith to be effectual the child must confirm their faith at the age of reason. In your church, does this happen when the individual child realizes they want to confirm or is the more common practice to hold Confirmation at a certain age for all children?
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From the Catholic Catechism

1250 Born with a fallen human nature and tainted by original sin, children also have need of the new birth in Baptism to be freed from the power of darkness and brought into the realm of the freedom of the children of God, to which all men are called. The sheer gratuitousness of the grace of salvation is particularly manifest in infant Baptism. The Church and the parents would deny a child the priceless grace of becoming a child of God were they not to confer Baptism shortly after birth.

1257 The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation. He also commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them. Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament. The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be baptized are “reborn of water and the Spirit.” God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments.

1252 The practice of infant Baptism is an immemorial tradition of the Church. There is explicit testimony to this practice from the second century on, and it is quite possible that, from the beginning of the apostolic preaching, when whole “households” received baptism, infants may also have been baptized.

SUMMATION

Birth is regulated by GOD [not every act of married intercourse results in a pregnancy]

At the INSTANT of birth GOD implants a Soul

Depriving infants of baptism is Unbiblical:

John 3:5 [5] Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a {ANY / ALL implied here; & NO mention of age] man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost,** he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."**

It puts into danger the very soul of the infant, who would spend eternity outside of heaven; but NOT in hell, should they die before age of reason.

Thank you for asking
 
I’m on my way to Rome, fellas. Busy crossing the Tiber at the moment. Weather is stormy and the waters are turbulent.
 
Cyril_Of_Canada said:
I’m on my way to Rome, fellas. Busy crossing the Tiber at the moment. Weather is stormy and the waters are turbulent.
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Don’t be anxious. I met with our RCIA director for nearly 2 yrs broke getting Baptized/Confirmed/Communion. It’s anything but waisted time. You are receiving His nourishment all along.
 
I was baptized at the age of 21, received my first Eucharist and was confirmed immediately after. That being said, it is possible for even infants to have these sacraments of initiation…especially if they are Eastern Catholics.
 
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