Infant Baptism Question

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The Church that acknowledged Sacred Scripture, which many have used against that same Church, acknowledges infant baptism. So whenever one opens Scripture they are submitting to the Church and their inspired decisions; one being the baptism of infants… GodBless:)
 
The Church that acknowledged Sacred Scripture, which many have used against that same Church, acknowledges infant baptism. So whenever one opens Scripture they are submitting to the Church and their inspired decisions; one being the baptism of infants… GodBless:)
Succinct, and clear. 👍
 
Polycarp (69-155 AD)

“Eighty and six years have I served the Lord Christ” (*Martyrdom of Polycarp *9: 3)

Irenaeus

“For He came to save all through means of Himself all, I say, who through Him are born again to God, infants, and children, and boys, and youths, and old men” (*Against Heresies *2:22:4).

“‘And [Naaman] dipped himself . . . seven times in the Jordan’ [2 Kgs. 5:14]. It was not for nothing that Naaman of old, when suffering from leprosy, was purified upon his being baptized, but [this served] as an indication to us. For as we are lepers in sin, we are made clean, by means of the sacred water and the invocation of the Lord, from our old transgressions, being spiritually regenerated as newborn babes, even as the Lord has declared: ‘Except a man be born again through water and the Spirit, he shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven’ [John 3:5]” (*Fragment *34 [A.D. 190]).

**Justin Martyr (100 – 166 AD) **

“Many, both men and women, who have been Christ’s disciples since childhood, remain pure at the age of sixty or seventy years” (Apology 1: 15).

Hippolytus (170-236 AD)

“And first baptize the little ones; and if they can speak for themselves, they shall do so; if not, their parents or other relatives shall speak for them.” (*The Apostolic Tradition *21:16 [A.D. 215]).

Origen

“The Church has received from the apostles the custom of administering baptism even to infants. For those who have been entrusted with the secrets of divine mysteries, knew very well that all are tainted with the stain of original sin, which must be washed off by water and spirit” (Commentary on Romans, 5.9).

“Every soul that is born into flesh is soiled by the filth of wickedness and sin. . . . In the Church, baptism is given for the remission of sins, and, according to the usage of the Church, baptism is given even to infants. If there were nothing in infants which required the remission of sins and nothing in them pertinent to forgiveness, the grace of baptism would seem superfluous” (*Homilies on Leviticus *8:3 [A.D. 248]).

“The Church received from the apostles the tradition of giving baptism even to infants. The apostles, to whom were committed the secrets of the divine sacraments, knew there are in everyone innate strains of [original] sin, which must be washed away through water and the Spirit” (*Commentaries on Romans *5:9 [A.D. 248]).

Council of Carthage (254 AD)

“We ought not hinder any person from Baptism and the grace of God… especially infants. . . those newly born.”

Cyprian

“Should we wait until the eighth day as did the Jews in circumcision? No, the child should be baptized as soon as it is born.” (To Fidus 1: 2).

“In respect of the case of infants, which you say ought not to be baptized within the second or third day after birth, and that the law of ancient circumcision should be regarded, so that you think that one who is just born should not be baptized and sanctified within the eighth day, we all thought very differently in our council. For in this course which you thought was to be taken, no one agreed; but we all rather judge that the mercy and grace of God is not to be refused to any one born of man… Spiritual circumcision ought not to be hindered by carnal circumcision… we ought to shrink from hindering an infant, who, being lately born, has not sinned, except in that, being born after the flesh according to Adam, he has contracted the contagion of the ancient death at its earliest birth, who approaches the more easily on this very account to the reception of the forgiveness of sins - that to him are remitted, not his own sins, but the sins of another” (Letter 58 to Fidus).

“As to what pertains to the case of infants: You [Fidus] said that they ought not to be baptized within the second or third day after their birth, that the old law of circumcision must be taken into consideration, and that you did not think that one should be baptized and sanctified within the eighth day after his birth. In our council it seemed to us far otherwise. No one agreed to the course which you thought should be taken. Rather, we all judge that the mercy and grace of God ought to be denied to no man born” (*Letters *64:2 [A.D. 253]).

“If, in the case of the worst sinners and those who formerly sinned much against God, when afterwards they believe, the remission of their sins is granted and no one is held back from baptism and grace, how much more, then, should an infant not be held back, who, having but recently been born, has done no sin, except that, born of the flesh according to Adam, he has contracted the contagion of that old death from his first being born. For this very reason does he [an infant] approach more easily to receive the remission of sins: because the sins forgiven him are not his own but those of another” (ibid., 64:5).
 
Gregory of Nazianz

“Do you have an infant child? Allow sin no opportunity; rather, let the infant be sanctified from childhood. From his most tender age let him be consecrated by the Spirit. Do you fear the seal [of baptism] because of the weakness of nature? Oh, what a pusillanimous mother and of how little faith!” (*Oration on Holy Baptism *40:7 [A.D. 388]).

“‘Well enough,’ some will say, ‘for those who ask for baptism, but what do you have to say about those who are still children, and aware neither of loss nor of grace? Shall we baptize them too?’ Certainly *, if there is any pressing danger. Better that they be sanctified unaware, than that they depart unsealed and uninitiated” (ibid., 40:28).

John Chrysostom

“You see how many are the benefits of baptism, and some think its heavenly grace consists only in the remission of sins, but we have enumerated ten honors [it bestows]! For this reason we baptize even infants, though they are not defiled by [personal] sins, so that there may be given to them holiness, righteousness, adoption, inheritance, brotherhood with Christ, and that they may be his [Christ’s] members” (*Baptismal Catecheses in Augustine, Against Julian *1:6:21 [A.D. 388]).

Council of Carthage (418 AD)

“If any man says that newborn children need not be baptized . . . let him be anathema.”

Augustine

“The custom of Mother Church in baptizing infants is certainly not to be scorned, nor is it to be regarded in any way as superfluous, nor is it to be believed that its tradition is anything except apostolic” (*The Literal Interpretation of Genesis *10:23:39 [A.D. 408]).

“Cyprian was not issuing a new decree but was keeping to the most solid belief of the Church in order to correct some who thought that infants ought not be baptized before the eighth day after their birth. . . . He agreed with certain of his fellow bishops that a child is able to be duly baptized as soon as he is born” (*Letters *166:8:23 [A.D. 412]).

“If you wish to be a Christian, do not believe, nor say, nor teach, that infants who die before baptism can obtain the remission of original sin.”

“Whoever says that even infants are vivified in Christ when they depart this life without participation in His sacrament (Baptism), both opposes the Apostolic preaching and condemns the whole church which hastens to baptize infants, because it unhesitatingly believes that otherwise they cannot possibly be vivified in Christ.”

“For from the infant newly born to the old man bent with age, as there is none shut out from baptism, so there is none who in baptism does not die to sin” (Enchiridion; ch. 43).

 
I am not one to assume that any church father or anyone alive today knows better than the Apostles thelmselves regarding this matter…

I do not limit God. I listen to His example and teaching in His Word.
Here’s your primary problem: denying Christ as head of his Church throughout history. Like Protestantism in general, you picture the Holy Church being built upon sand, with Christ little more than a symbolic figure-head and yourself as final authority as you see fit to interpret Scripture.

Regarding infants: Baptism is the only sure way for their salvation.

You apparently come from the erroneous position that there is a class of people (infants) who DO NOT NEED Christ as their savior. IMO, the Holy Catholic Church cannot tolerate this heresy…as no one comes to the Father except through Christ. That includes infants and yes, Mary the Mother of God.

Unbaptised infants who are/might be saved are saved by Christ acting as their unseen savior and His grace…not because they “have no sin” and therefore do not need a savior. They have Original Sin.

But if you’re happy with the error that some people do not need Christ as savior…go with it.
 
I don’t think it is correct to say that the Church requires baptism of infants.
It is canon law:

Can. 867 §1. Parents are obliged to take care that infants are baptized in the first few weeks

Even without this, this is self evident from the Catechism alone.
In some cases, the Church will actually require parents to defer the baptism of an infant, if it cannot be assured that there is a reasonable expectation that the child will be raised in the Catholic faith.
So I guess when Christ commanded not to hinder the children to come unto Him, He only meant some children and not others?

“Suffer the little children”…except that one or that one?

If so, then that Scripture needs not be used time and time again as proof of infant baptism.
Reading this discussion brought another issue to my mind. Do protestant denominations which do not permit baptism of infants, allow children to attend worship services or Sunday school classes before making a profession of faith? If so, it seems to me that the same objection could be raised: one is essentially brining them into and indoctrinating them in a religion to which they have not given adult consent.
Not at all.

Baptism is said by the RCC to make a person a Christian.

A spiritual education and upbringing cannot do that. Only a personal choice of the will that is repentant and desires to be a disciple, can.

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Here’s your primary problem: denying Christ as head of his Church throughout history.
I do not deny that Christ is the head of His church. That is nonsense.

I may deny that the RCC alone is that church, but that is another thread and another story.
Like Protestantism in general, you picture the Holy Church being built upon sand, with Christ little more than a symbolic figure-head and yourself as final authority as you see fit to interpret Scripture.
Yeah, yeah.
Regarding infants: Baptism is the only sure way for their salvation.
That is the claim of the RCC, yes.

I understand this already.
You apparently come from the erroneous position that there is a class of people (infants) who DO NOT NEED Christ as their savior.
But if you’re happy with the error that some people do not need Christ as savior…go with it.
Sigh.

It seems you have not been reading my posts.

I never made such a silly claim, and actually have claimed the opposite.

But I guess making this up looks better to beat me over the head with.

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Sigh.

It seems you have not been reading my posts.

I never made such a silly claim, and actually have claimed the opposite.

But I guess making this up looks better to beat me over the head with.

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Sorry, I thought you were writing against infant baptism. Since you agree that infants also need Christ as savior, we have no problem.
 
Sorry, I thought you were writing against infant baptism. Since you agree that infants also need Christ as savior, we have no problem.
I am sorry, but one does not need the former to experience the latter.
 
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