Infant baptism?

[SPOKENWORD]

discipleof1:

Each of us was born pure and innocent.

Each of us is born with the disease of original sin and we are not so pure, thanks to Adam and Eve. This is why Jesus had to come. Baptism doesn’t wash Original sin away. Love in Christ.

The blood of Christ is what washes away all sin. God Bless

 

[Malachi4U]

SPOKENWORD:

Hi Yaegel,They werent making lampshades back then were they? God Bless

I don’t think our Jewish brothers who survived the Concentration Camps would appreciate your sick humor. I don’t either. Perhaps we should be more carefull with our snide comments?

I hope this was just an oversight on your part. Making lampshades out of Jews in WWII was not very funny to me.

God bless,

 

[Yaegel]

discipleof1:

Romans 2:25-29
“25 The Jewish ceremony of circumcision is worth something only if you obey God’s law. But if you don’t obey God’s law, you are no better off than an uncircumcised Gentile. 26 And if the Gentiles obey God’s law, won’t God give them all the rights and honors of being his own people? 27 In fact, uncircumcised Gentiles who keep God’s law will be much better off than you Jews who are circumcised and know so much about God’s law but don’t obey it.
28 For you are not a true Jew just because you were born of Jewish parents or because you have gone through the Jewish ceremony of circumcision. 29 No, a true Jew is one whose heart is right with God. And true circumcision is not a cutting of the body but a change of heart produced by God’s Spirit. Whoever has that kind of change seeks praise from God, not from people”.
Galatians 5:6 “For when we place our faith in Christ Jesus, it makes no difference to God whether we are circumcised or not circumcised. What is important is faith expressing itself in love”. Contrary to tradition belief must preceed baptism. here is one example from the Word of God Acts 16:29-33 29 Trembling with fear, the jailer called for lights and ran to the dungeon and fell down before Paul and Silas. 30 He brought them out and asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"31 They replied, “Believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, along with your entire household.” 32 Then they shared the word of the Lord with him and all who lived in his household. 33 That same hour the jailer washed their wounds, and he and everyone in his household were immediately baptized. Gentiles are not bound to Levitical Law and therefore we can not put baptism on a parity with circumcision.

Circumcision was instituted long before the Levitical law. Gen 17 9-14. Besides, your right. We can’t put baptism on a parity with circumcision. Christ did. Col 2.11-12. Actually, baptism is far greater than circumsion as the New Testament is far greater than the Old Testament. Heb 8.6.

 

[RobedWithLight]

discipleof1:

Each of us was born pure and innocent.

Each of us is born with the disease of original sin and we are not so pure, thanks to Adam and Eve. This is why Jesus had to come. Baptism **doesn’t **wash Original sin away. Love in Christ.

Indeed. But then, Jesus Himself in John 3:5 said, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of** water** and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. No one stained with sin, including original sin can enter heaven, unless such sin were washed away with the saving waters of this sacrament, which clearly tells us that Baptism can, and truly washes away all sin, and with it, eternal death.

Gerry

 

[SPOKENWORD]

Malachi4U:

I don’t think our Jewish brothers who survived the Concentration Camps would appreciate your sick humor. I don’t either. Perhaps we should be more carefull with our snide comments?

I hope this was just an oversight on your part. Making lampshades out of Jews in WWII was not very funny to me.

God bless,

Hi Malachi. I apoligize to those I have offended. It was foolish talk which is sinful.Im human and I make mistakes.Thanks for correcting me. God Bless

 

[RobedWithLight]

Let me add just one more observation, since Yaegel already addressed Josiah’s reply to my post. If infant baptism was indeed unbiblical and invalid, it is indeed very strange that** none** of the early Church Fathers, in their extant writings, opposed the practice, and in fact accepted it. If it were wrong, do you think they would have just allowed it to go unnoticed? Highly unlikely.

Gerry

 

[Philthy]

oudave:

Hi-
This scripture get’s misquoted all the time, your reference to Mark
isn’t talking about baptism. Read Mark 10:13-14, Math 19:13-14 and Luke 18:15-16. Jesus was laying hands on them and blessing them, not baptizing them. I don’t think that infant and baptism are mentioned in the same sentence anywhere in scripture. I could be wrong though.

Each of us was born pure and innocent. That why Jesus said we must become like little children if we hope to enter his kingdom (Mathew 18:3). As we grew up we learned to do evil from those around us. Satan tempted us to do evil, even as he did Adam and Eve. We exercised our will power just as they did. When we did that which God has forbidden or when we failed to do that which he had told us to do we sinned. For that we are accountable and responsible (II Corinthians 5:10). It wasn’t until around 500 AD that
the catholic church came up with original sin. I don’t believe thats in the Bible either, but I could be wrong there as well. I hope this helps you out.
Davehttp://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon11.gif

Hi Dave-

You are completely off base on all accounts (except where you say that you might be wrong!).
The bible very clearly teaches that original sin is present in all.
“Therefore, just as through one person sin entered the world, and through sin, death…” Romans 6:12 This is not the only place where original sin is discussed - I just don’t feel the need to dig up any more verses. You should feel the need, however, before you go making anymore silly statements followed by false accusations. Thou shalt not bear false witness - ringing any bells? The Church didn’t invent anything around 500 AD - certainly not original sin. The problem is that you continue to view yourself and the human condition (and, therefore God) in your own terms rather than in revealed biblical terms. You then project your own feelings into determining how God “should” behave. We all fail in this respect because it is impossible to appreciate how holy God is and, therefore, how unholy we are.

Phil