Infant baptism

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Mom of one:
Please tell me your source for this quote. I want to use it, but unless I read it for myself, I can’t use it. I just looked Justin Martyr in my *Faith of the Early Fathers *series and I can’t find that quote! It’s making me nuts! 🙂
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Justin Martyr, First Apology, 15:6 (A.D. 110-165), in ANF,I:167

Justin Martyr’s “First Apology” 15:6
ANF = “Anti-Nicene Father’s”???

I got it from Coronum Aplogetic Web Site.

Notworthy
 
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mumof5:
Funny how the thread dies when biblical evidence is posted (sorry, just echoing what I’ve been accused of in another thread).
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Funny how the thread dies when it’s proven that the early Church reveals that Infant Baptism has always been taught. (Sorry, just echoing what we’ve been accused of in this thread).

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Eden:
Biblical evidence? Where in the bible does it say infants are not to be baptised?
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Me thinks that you will not get a response from her. 😃
 
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Mickey:
Me thinks that you will not get a response from her. 😃
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Yes, “Let the Children come to me” is OBVIOUSLY not talking about infants and Baptism, right? Us Catholics are so silly. Circumcision - at 8 days - is a type of Baptism? But not for infants. Wow, we mix everything up, don’t we?

BTW, am I the only one who gets the feeling that some religion base their religious doctrine on “What do the Catholic believe? We’ll believe the opposite.”

Some day I’m going to see bracelets that say, “WWCND” (What would Catholics not do?).

Notworthy
 
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mumof5:
We are told that ‘the household’ is baptised but we are never explicitly told that included infants. Nor are we told it excluded them. The fact is, we don’t know for sure. The household did include servants and those who believed.

Please note WHEN and HOW these people were baptised:
Acts 2:40-42 (Believers at Pentecost)
Acts 8:12-13 (Converts in Samaria)
The Ethiopian Eunuch - Acts 8: 36-39.
Saul of Tarsus - Acts 9: 17-20
Lydia of Thyatira - Acts 16:14-15
Philippian Jailerand Household- Acts 16:31-34
Believers at Corinth - Acts 18:8

Water baptism took place AFTER a person became a follower of Jesus and by full immersion. In obedience, none refused.
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Well yes, it did take place after because in the days of the apostles everyone was a convert to the faith… there were no “cradle” Christians. Households were brought to be baptized when conversions took place. I find it rather hard to believe none of those households had children in them.

It has been since the days of the apostles that whole families convert not just the adults…this is obvious from scripture and from Jewish Tradition…that parents speak for their children and incorporate them into their faith.

As I understand it to be…Protestants do not do that… they do not bring their children to Christ but rather wait for their children to come to Christ themselves.

I don’t see any biblical support that suggests a child wait for their own conversion experience to Christ before they can be a Christian. I don’t see where the bible says only the people over the age of 12 can be Christian nor do I see the bible saying only those who reach an age of reason can be Christian.

Baptism is not a public statement. No where in the bible will any of us come close to reading it is. Baptism is a mystery.

Baptism is the “New and everlasting covenant” in which we enter into the paschal mystery with Jesus Christ and we die with him so we can be raised with him to a new life.

We all have a right to redemption for two reasons…1) salvation is a free gift and it can not be earned and 2) because Christ died for all of people.

And last I knew… babies were people too.

He came to save us and he wishes we all could be saved through his death and resurrection. The way he does it is through baptism. No works needed… this is freely given to us through the ministry of his Church.

Of course after a person is baptized he can lose his salvation but that’s a whole other thread.
 
There are two other verses which, at least implicitly, shows the validity of infant baptism. We read thus in Mark:

He said to them, "Go into the whole world and proclaim the gospel to every creature. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved; whoever does not believe will be condemned. (Mark 16:15-16)Though some might say that literally, it would mean then that even animals should be baptized, we should of course take this into context. Matthew makes it clearer for us:

Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19)

Note that Jesus commanded His Disciples to preach to all nations; it does not say only to some nations, or indeed to some people, nor only to people of age, but to all nations, none excluded.
 
Funny how the thread dies when biblical evidence is posted (sorry, just echoing what I’ve been accused of in another thread).
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Funny how when Mumof5’s ridiculous accusation is shot down that she quits posting. One thing to remember dearheart…Catholics don’t believe the false doctrine of Sola Scriptura.
 
“Now they were bringing even infants to him that he might touch them; and when the disciples saw it, they rebuked them. But Jesus called them to him, saying, ‘Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them; for to such belongs the kingdom of God’” (Luke 18:15–16).

“Now they were bringing even infants to him” (Greek, Prosepheron de auto kai ta brepha). The Greek word *brepha *means “infants”—children who are quite unable to approach Christ on their own and who could not possibly make a conscious decision to “accept Jesus as their personal Lord and Savior.”

Why is this “a hard saying”???

Notworthy
 
I post this often. And I will continue to post it with the hope that those who adhere to believer’s baptisim may see the error of this late invention protestant doctrine. This statement comes from an Orthodox website:

Baptising infants before they know what is going on is an expression of God’s great love for us. It shows that God loves us and accepts us before we can ever know and love Him. It shows that we are wanted and loved by God from the very moment of our birth. Nothing shows the nature of God’s grace more than infant baptism.

Peace to all,
Mickey
 
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Mickey:
Baptising infants before they know what is going on is an expression of God’s great love for us. It shows that God loves us and accepts us before we can ever know and love Him. It shows that we are wanted and loved by God from the very moment of our birth. Nothing shows the nature of God’s grace more than infant baptism.

Peace to all,
Mickey
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Amen!!! Very well said!!!

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Yerusalyim:
Funny how when Mumof5’s ridiculous accusation is shot down that she quits posting. One thing to remember dearheart…Catholics don’t believe the false doctrine of Sola Scriptura.
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No, actually I’ve been away at the Apostolic Women’s Conference and awesome it was too. The power of the Holy Spirit the first evening was just overwhelming. All I can say is “Wow”.

Sola Scriptura is correct.
 
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mumof5:
No, actually I’ve been away at the Apostolic Women’s Conference and awesome it was too. The power of the Holy Spirit the first evening was just overwhelming. All I can say is “Wow”.

Sola Scriptura is correct.
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I’m still not quite sure why you are here, if you’ve already announced to us a while back that you were leaving the Catholic Church. Shouldn’t your new faith be fulfilling enough for you without having to pop in here every once in a while??

When I reverted after attending a non-denomination church, I totally lost interest in discussing theology and doctrine with them, and in attending their services (actually walked out in the middle of one once early on…)
 
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