Influenced by something unholy

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Hello everyone. I am new here, but I am not new to faith. I was born into a faithless house and I decided as a teenager to get into it myself when things got really hard to bare in my life and family. I was a christian but I wanted to become a catholic, but didn’t because I was working in my church as a youth minister. About six years ago I was morally and personally offended by the church and at God, and since then, I feel I have been being tormented constantly.

I’m a normally good, pious, and generous person. I know I am because I always feel guilty when I do wrong or even think about hurting others. However, I really don’t trust anyone, and people are constantly trying my trust left and right. I am admittedly misanthropic and I dislike even my own humanity and wish there was some alternative to being in this body, on this earth, among people who I feel are inherently corrupt and demand emotional support without being able or willing to give it themselves.

I am a logical guy, but I have found that some things in life simply cannot be solved being a human. While some of the things I feel about being harshly wronged in the past are understandable, I admit to feeling significantly more wrathful and spiteful about them than is truly reasonable. I do not feel that most of the chaos in my mind has been “me”, since nothing I have tried has remedied even most of it. Years of being on mood stabilizers and antipsychotics did nothing but give me side effects, and I find myself never agreeing with counselors. One thing that alarms me is that stereotypical God-natured terms like “forgiveness”, “faith”, and “grace” often irk me because I believe they are rarely prevalent with people, and in cases where they are applied to prideful or hypocritical people, I become infuriated.

The thing is that every time I really did something hurtful or wrong, or when I got angry in the presence of godly concepts, I remember very little of the incident or what triggered it. Mom often asked why I did the things I did but I could never even think of an honest reason. I always rejected the idea of demonic posession and even influence, but at this point, I feel I am constantly playing tug-of-war with myself. Every time I have furious or dark thoughts, my “good” part shines through and, and vise versa.

To be honest, I never wanted to post in a place like this about this concern, but almost every logical or realistic remedy to my issues has done about nothing for me. I am writing this in a better spirit than earlier, but who knows when the dark part of me will re-surface. I have always been a spiritually sensitive person, even if I did willingly reject God after believing in him for years. I honestly don’t know what to do, and I would rather have a catholic’s (name removed by moderator)ut on this than a christian’s…

I hope I did not come off as being crazy or loopy. I simply am tired of not knowing who/what I am, not knowing what I want in life, constantly fighting myself, and being plagued my hideous and uncomfortable thoughts day in and day out. If there is something in me, I am tired of fighting with it. I appreciate any help I can get…thank you.
 
Hello everyone. I am new here, but I am not new to faith. I was born into a faithless house and I decided as a teenager to get into it myself when things got really hard to bare in my life and family. I was a christian but I wanted to become a catholic, but didn’t because I was working in my church as a youth minister. About six years ago I was morally and personally offended by the church and at God, and since then, I feel I have been being tormented constantly.

I’m a normally good, pious, and generous person. I know I am because I always feel guilty when I do wrong or even think about hurting others. However, I really don’t trust anyone, and people are constantly trying my trust left and right. I am admittedly misanthropic and I dislike even my own humanity and wish there was some alternative to being in this body, on this earth, among people who I feel are inherently corrupt and demand emotional support without being able or willing to give it themselves.

I am a logical guy, but I have found that some things in life simply cannot be solved being a human. While some of the things I feel about being harshly wronged in the past are understandable, I admit to feeling significantly more wrathful and spiteful about them than is truly reasonable. I do not feel that most of the chaos in my mind has been “me”, since nothing I have tried has remedied even most of it. Years of being on mood stabilizers and antipsychotics did nothing but give me side effects, and I find myself never agreeing with counselors. One thing that alarms me is that stereotypical God-natured terms like “forgiveness”, “faith”, and “grace” often irk me because I believe they are rarely prevalent with people, and in cases where they are applied to prideful or hypocritical people, I become infuriated.

The thing is that every time I really did something hurtful or wrong, or when I got angry in the presence of godly concepts, I remember very little of the incident or what triggered it. Mom often asked why I did the things I did but I could never even think of an honest reason. I always rejected the idea of demonic posession and even influence, but at this point, I feel I am constantly playing tug-of-war with myself. Every time I have furious or dark thoughts, my “good” part shines through and, and vise versa.

To be honest, I never wanted to post in a place like this about this concern, but almost every logical or realistic remedy to my issues has done about nothing for me. I am writing this in a better spirit than earlier, but who knows when the dark part of me will re-surface. I have always been a spiritually sensitive person, even if I did willingly reject God after believing in him for years. I honestly don’t know what to do, and I would rather have a catholic’s (name removed by moderator)ut on this than a christian’s…

I hope I did not come off as being crazy or loopy. I simply am tired of not knowing who/what I am, not knowing what I want in life, constantly fighting myself, and being plagued my hideous and uncomfortable thoughts day in and day out. If there is something in me, I am tired of fighting with it. I appreciate any help I can get…thank you.
How long have you been in this tug of war?
 
If you are seriously considering an exorcism, I believe you would have to contact the local bishop, and he would guide you through that process, or else a local priest who will connect you to the bishop, etc. I don’t want to start giving advice and giving suggestions if it is unwanted, so I’ll just say that if you have any faith centered questions, you can contact a faith expert on this site, and I’m sure anyone on here would be willing to help you out. I would personally be happy to help you with any questions you may have.
 
Jay,

It would be helpful if you start to focus on Jesus and His love for you. Perhaps you can read some Bible passages focusing on the Passion of Jesus. Talk to Him as a friend and ask for His help.

Also, get in touch with a Catholic priest at a nearby parish and explain that you would like to talk to him, telling him what you have explained here.

God bless you!

Dorothy
 
Talk to the priest in the parish nearest to you. And go to the Adoration chapel, and ask Jesus to help you. He is waiting for you there.
 
Thanks for everyone’s responses. I want to go to churches and get help, but I struggle severely with being consistent day to day. I’m wanting to do this but I fear I will slip up and struggle to consistently attend. Is this a problem with people newer to catholicism?

I’m not trying at all to incite or stir up a chrstian vs catholic argument, but why do some people a lot of times willingly accept catholicism while rejecting christianity? I’m asking because I am not sure why I reel at the idea of re-attending a christian church while I’m willing to attend a catholic one. I would like some food for thought on this if it is not improper to ask.

Thanks for everything. How would I get ahold of a priest in WA state, for example, if I am not sure which churches are even around?
 
May I ask, have you been baptized?
Thanks for everyone’s responses. I want to go to churches and get help, but I struggle severely with being consistent day to day. I’m wanting to do this but I fear I will slip up and struggle to consistently attend. Is this a problem with people newer to catholicism?
I wouldn’t worry too much about attending church consistently, you don’t have to worry about that until/unless you become Catholic. Just do what you can.
I’m not trying at all to incite or stir up a chrstian vs catholic argument, but why do some people a lot of times willingly accept catholicism while rejecting christianity? I’m asking because I am not sure why I reel at the idea of re-attending a christian church while I’m willing to attend a catholic one. I would like some food for thought on this if it is not improper to ask.
I’m not sure what you’re asking. Catholicism is Christian. Are you asking why does it seem like some Catholics aren’t Christians? Perhaps you’re willing to go to a Catholic Church because it is the oldest historically, and has apostolic succession?
Thanks for everything. How would I get ahold of a priest in WA state, for example, if I am not sure which churches are even around?
Google the diocese of your city. They will have a list of parishes.
 
Thanks for everyone’s responses. I want to go to churches and get help, but I struggle severely with being consistent day to day. I’m wanting to do this but I fear I will slip up and struggle to consistently attend. Is this a problem with people newer to catholicism?

I’m not trying at all to incite or stir up a chrstian vs catholic argument, but why do some people a lot of times willingly accept catholicism while rejecting christianity? I’m asking because I am not sure why I reel at the idea of re-attending a christian church while I’m willing to attend a catholic one. I would like some food for thought on this if it is not improper to ask.

Thanks for everything. How would I get ahold of a priest in WA state, for example, if I am not sure which churches are even around?
We’re not suggesting that you start going to Mass, at least I am not. Just google Catholic Churches in your city, take a look at which are the closest to your home or work, and call the office tomorrow. Ask if you can make an appointment with the priest about a spiritual matter. Some priests are very overwhelmed but some are more available. Keep trying until you find someone who can see you relatively soon.

Catholics ARE Christian. So if you accept Catholicism, you are accepting Christianity. I have no idea what you mean when you say “people who accept Catholicism but not Christianity,” because usually it is the opposite - people will insist that Catholics are not Christians. But that is just anti-Catholic rhetoric and should be ignored.
 
Some Christians don’t believe Catholics are Christian, but that’s b/c they don’t know their history…

God is with you in all of your outreach to Him; all of your prayer - but He is present to us in a very unique and gracious way through the Eucharist (the host in Catholic Communion, which we believe is the True Body and Blood of Christ). Before I even knew this teaching of the Church, I hungered for It, and I cannot tell you what graces and help I have received by spending time before Jesus in the Tabernacle and just pouring out my heart in prayer.

Another thing is just the battle between the “old man” which we must “put off” in order to become a “new creation” in Christ. I have had similar battles to yours. I spent many years trying to overcome some very real and disturbing issues with hatred and justice. Before my conversion I was a very destructive person - not just self-destructive, but hateful and vengeful. Just like with most personal struggles, the first step to a solution is realizing there is a problem. Once I realized what I was doing, and reached out in prayer, God gave me the grace to overcome my natural tendencies.

Exorcism? Not necessarily. One of the greatest battles in the Christian life is the war we wage with our egos/ with “self”. And it is not just a battle with ourselves, but with Satan as well. This does not necessarily mean exorcism though. Satan uses our weaknesses (our desire for justice, for instance) to steer us down a path to destruction. He is cunning and knows best what will lead us to damnation. It helps to know our adversary, and to reject him immediately. “Resist the Devil and he will take flight”. Don’t entertain your thoughts of hatred and retaliation. The best defense we have against the ills and injustices of humanity (and the persuasion of the devil in it) is: prayer, and returning love for hatred and injustice. The world is made up of individuals and philosophies and governments that center on retaliation in the face of adversity. Isn’t that natural? Isn’t it the natural way for man to want to fight back when others treat them unfairly? So much of Christ’s teachings are a paradox to what we find in society and our human nature. We must “die” in order to “live” for instance. Love your enemies… It is very much in our nature to hate and fight against our enemies, but what is more life-altering? Encountering resistance in the face of conflict? Or encountering love? So how do we fight against this nature? We must go to the Physician (Christ) who will give us His Spirit (the Holy Spirit) to fill us. We do this firstly through repentance (realizing our corrupt nature/sin), and secondly by seeking to be filled with His Spirit. To some measure, upon repentance we do receive God’s Spirit, but He also offers us the means to continually draw upon this fountain of grace - through His Church; through His Sacraments.

There is good reason to have hope in your situation since you are reaching out. I once willingly rejected God after believing in Him for years too, but I returned to Him and have found renewed blessings in discipleship. Jesus said we must forgive 70X70… Do you think He forgives less? No, infinitely more! You underestimate God’s goodness and mercy. You can still return to Him.

I don’t know what offense you endured that relates to your faith experience, but please remember that the church (Catholic or otherwise) is comprised of fallible, sinful people. Jesus said He did not come for the righteous but for sinners. There is no perfect church as far as the humanity in it is concerned, but Jesus did establish a church nonetheless, and He promised that even the gates of Hell would not prevail over it. I have been offended by the church also, but I see the workings of God’s grace despite man’s failures, constantly nourishing me in His church. That is the major difference between Catholicism and other Christian churches; that most churches rely on the community of believers for edification and nourishment (who will always be imperfect), whereas the Catholic church ALSO has the Sacraments; an extension of the mystery of the Incarnation; a ritual and materialistic means through which we encounter Christ in a unique and powerful way… And I know you are new to things Catholic, and that probably is hard to understand, but in layman’s terms, it’s like the difference between going to someone who knows a good doctor, and going to the Doctor Himself. You may get good advice from someone who knows a good doctor, but the Doctor Himself (Jesus) will have the medicine (Sacraments).

I have never been consistent. I have bounced back and forth between belief and unbelief, and between Catholicism and other Christian faiths… God loves that we want to follow Him and follow Him the way that is best. I believe that it is better to be honest about our struggles than it is to be a hypocrite.

Don’t fret - God is patient. He doesn’t expect us to “get it” 100% right off the bat. What He most desires is that you desire to be His child, and to love His fatherly direction and gifts. You can’t give what you don’t have. I have never had enough to overcome my own struggles outside of the Catholic Church. I associate closely with a non-Catholic, Mennonite community, who live very saintly lives - but they have led very privileged and sheltered lives, and I have not. I believe I have had more to overcome of myself and my corrupt nature than probably most of them have, and I simply have not been able to nourish myself without the aid of the Catholic Sacraments.

Bless you for your candor and desire to follow Christ. I am certain that He will not abandon you.

Praying for you~
The Peace of Christ, which surpasses all human understanding, be upon you~
 
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