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In the OCD group of Carmelite’s third order,
I wonder if some persons could inform me about how the “little way” of St Therese works.

I know that St John of the cross and St Terese were both mystical where St Therese (little flower) was more contemplative.
So what of the “little way” in OCD and Carmelites

Godbless
 
In the OCD group of Carmelite’s third order,
I wonder if some persons could inform me about how the “little way” of St Therese works.

I know that St John of the cross and St Terese were both mystical where St Therese (little flower) was more contemplative.
So what of the “little way” in OCD and Carmelites

Godbless
The “little way” means living each day in the midst of those little things that encompass our day and responding with generous love to God and neighbor to all that comes our way moment to moment. Explaining this through the experience of her own life was St. Therese’s particular gift.

Also, while St. Teresa and St. John are great expositors on the truly mystical life of Christians, they only entered into this way by being drawn deeper into God through their contemplation.
 
The “Little Way” (as FCEGM so beautifully explained) is the making of small sacrifices during your daily life; and doing so, with great love for God and souls.

I think this is probably why Pope John Paul II declared St. Therese a “Doctor of the Church”. Because she laid before us “little ones” a way to perfection… which is within reach of us all.

The “Little Way” of St. Therese is something that all of us can follow! God bless you. 🙂
 
Thank you for the information about littleones and little ways of offering self. What I really ment is that in the amount of information about the creation of an OCD group( for a want of words) I realise that there are some formations such as having a priest nearby, having a number of people in the group who have been part of the OCD for two years, etc etc. I have found so much information that it takes pages.
I wonder if someone might help me with condensing all of this correctly. Please.
Thank you
Godbless.
 
Thank you for the information about littleones and little ways of offering self. What I really ment is that in the amount of information about the creation of an OCD group( for a want of words) I realise that there are some formations such as having a priest nearby, having a number of people in the group who have been part of the OCD for two years, etc etc. I have found so much information that it takes pages.
I wonder if someone might help me with condensing all of this correctly. Please.
Thank you
Godbless.
The creation of a new O.C.D.S. Community usually begins with establishing a Recognized Group. Where there is present a Discalced Carmelite monastery of either nuns or friars there is usually a Community already established that meets at or near the monastery. Many Communities and Groups, though, do meet at a local parish, which is the case for the Recognized Group to which I belong.

This Group must be formed with the permission of the Provincial Delegate (a Discalced Carmelite priest assigned to oversee the O.C.D.S. Communities and Groups in a particular province of the Order). To seek to start such a Group, a person must have a good knowledge of the Order and its charism and what is entailed in living a life in committment to Christ through the Order. A priest - who may be a diocesan priest or a priest of another Order if no O.C.D. priest is available - must be chosen and approved by the Provincial Delegate.

It’s a given, of course, that to take the above steps one has gathered together at least a small group of like-minded individuals who are interested in the Teresian Charism and want to discern if they have a vocation to the O.C.D.S… An individual having received permission to form such a Group must then undertake to lead a study of the Discalced Carmelite vocation and the formative writings of St. Teresa and St. John of the Cross (beginning with the former).

There should be a period of several months in which Guests are invited to “come and see”; they then may be invited to make application to enter into the Aspirancy program which entails a year-long foundational study; Welcome to Carmel, available at Holy Hill Monastery in Wisconsin, is an extremely helpful book to use for this.

The Aspirancy Program is a one-year course of study on various topics pertinent to the life of a Secular Discalced Carmelite. At the end of this year the Aspirant is eligible to receive the habit of the Order, the Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel, in a simple ceremony at which time he or she officially becomes an Aspirant to the Order and enters into the period of Formation. Formation is divided into two parts:

Formation for the Temporary Promise covers a period of three years. At the end of this time there is a ceremony during which the member makes the Temporary Promise.

Formation continues for another two years at the end of which the member may make the Definitive Promise.

Once a Recognized Group has 10 members (two of whom have made their Definitive Promise with the rest having made at least their Temporary Promise) it can be canonically established as an O.C.D.S. Community with an elected President and Council (together they selected someone to serve as the Director of Formation), and a Secretary and Treasurer.

So, if you are interested in starting such a Group you must, then, contact the local Provincial Delegate for the area in which you live.

I hope this has helped, littleone. It’s a beautiful vocation. 🙂
 
And if you think that it’s a lot of information, it is. Bur God is in the details, which you can find here in the OCDS constitutions.

:blessyou:
 
The creation of a new O.C.D.S. Community usually begins with establishing a Recognized Group. Where there is present a Discalced Carmelite monastery of either nuns or friars there is usually a Community already established that meets at or near the monastery. Many Communities and Groups, though, do meet at a local parish, which is the case for the Recognized Group to which I belong.

This Group must be formed with the permission of the Provincial Delegate (a Discalced Carmelite priest assigned to oversee the O.C.D.S. Communities and Groups in a particular province of the Order). To seek to start such a Group, a person must have a good knowledge of the Order and its charism and what is entailed in living a life in committment to Christ through the Order. A priest - who may be a diocesan priest or a priest of another Order if no O.C.D. priest is available - must be chosen and approved by the Provincial Delegate.

It’s a given, of course, that to take the above steps one has gathered together at least a small group of like-minded individuals who are interested in the Teresian Charism and want to discern if they have a vocation to the O.C.D.S… An individual having received permission to form such a Group must then undertake to lead a study of the Discalced Carmelite vocation and the formative writings of St. Teresa and St. John of the Cross (beginning with the former).

There should be a period of several months in which Guests are invited to “come and see”; they then may be invited to make application to enter into the Aspirancy program which entails a year-long foundational study; Welcome to Carmel, available at Holy Hill Monastery in Wisconsin, is an extremely helpful book to use for this.

The Aspirancy Program is a one-year course of study on various topics pertinent to the life of a Secular Discalced Carmelite. At the end of this year the Aspirant is eligible to receive the habit of the Order, the Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel, in a simple ceremony at which time he or she officially becomes an Aspirant to the Order and enters into the period of Formation. Formation is divided into two parts:

Formation for the Temporary Promise covers a period of three years. At the end of this time there is a ceremony during which the member makes the Temporary Promise.

Formation continues for another two years at the end of which the member may make the Definitive Promise.

Once a Recognized Group has 10 members (two of whom have made their Definitive Promise with the rest having made at least their Temporary Promise) it can be canonically established as an O.C.D.S. Community with an elected President and Council (together they selected someone to serve as the Director of Formation), and a Secretary and Treasurer.

So, if you are interested in starting such a Group you must, then, contact the local Provincial Delegate for the area in which you live.

I hope this has helped, littleone. It’s a beautiful vocation. 🙂
Thank you so much. I have a lot of information but as you mention I need to simplify it for the first meeting ans give it in paper or cd to those others to take home.

Our Carmelit priest of which we have two in our parish has given us the right to start a meeting this month. I have much information, but I am only a simple person not of the ways of studious thought. Therese little way is about the biggest I could ever get otherwise I would get bogged down.
Thank you again, please keep in touch.

Godbless
 
Thank you so much. I have a lot of information but as you mention I need to simplify it for the first meeting ans give it in paper or cd to those others to take home.

Our Carmelit priest of which we have two in our parish has given us the right to start a meeting this month. I have much information, but I am only a simple person not of the ways of studious thought. Therese little way is about the biggest I could ever get otherwise I would get bogged down.
Thank you again, please keep in touch.

Godbless
littleone, I will again recommend Welcome to Carmel as an excellent way to introduce those new to Carmelite spirituality in general and to the Secular Discalced Carmelite Order in particular. Each member of my Group has a copy that they study in preparation for the next month’s meeting. At the end of each chapter (which are not difficult to read) there are questions for discussion; this would facilitate engaging and informative (and formative) meetings as you “get your feet wet” in leading the Group. Please feel free to IM me any time if you have any questions that I could possibly help you with.

God bless you in this great endeavor! 🙂
 
I don’t want to be the bearer of bad news, but there will be no new OCDS study groups permitted for the time being, until the new statutes are reviewed. There was a meeting in April with the Provincial Delegates, but nothing has been decided upon. So my friend in another state contacted the main Provincial in DC, and was told again that she could not begin a new study group until they give permission via the new statutes.

Her pastor had given permission to hold monthly meetings in her parish, and they had a nice group of interested people who had purchased the study book on St. Therese. Several study meetings had been held in anticipation of obtaining permission after the meeting in April, but it is still on hold.

Maybe Littleone is in contact with OCarm’s and that might be a different matter, I’m not sure. But OCD’s are definitely on hold.

Keep praying that they will be open to the formation of new aspirants, without their having to travel great distances to be part of an existing Chapter.
 
I don’t want to be the bearer of bad news, but there will be no new OCDS study groups permitted for the time being, until the new statutes are reviewed. There was a meeting in April with the Provincial Delegates, but nothing has been decided upon. So my friend in another state contacted the main Provincial in DC, and was told again that she could not begin a new study group until they give permission via the new statutes.

Her pastor had given permission to hold monthly meetings in her parish, and they had a nice group of interested people who had purchased the study book on St. Therese. Several study meetings had been held in anticipation of obtaining permission after the meeting in April, but it is still on hold.

Maybe Littleone is in contact with OCarm’s and that might be a different matter, I’m not sure. But OCD’s are definitely on hold.

Keep praying that they will be open to the formation of new aspirants, without their having to travel great distances to be part of an existing Chapter.
Thanks for this information, Joysong; I hadn’t been aware of that, although I knew that the statutes are yet to be implemented. I’m grateful that our Group made it in under the wire, so to speak. 🙂
 
If I’m not mistaken, Littleone lives in New Zealand. Would that have any bearing on things?

Dave
 
Hi Dave,

Maybe Littleone should check on this in New Zealand, since this may be a delay only in the US. I was speaking about our friend Jenlyn. Isn’t it wonderful that she developed her vocation through our threads and friends here at CAF? Praise God! She is very disappointed, because we had soaked the whole matter in prayer for months before she finally approached her pastor. She is tottering because we felt St. Therese’s assurance that she was to go ahead with this, and now these aspirants are in limbo. Nevertheless, they are continuing to meet anyway, even though the door is seemingly closed.
 
Hi Frances,

You may remember speaking with Jenlyn recently in this post:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=3337757&postcount=16

May we pray that God will bless this group, and through Our Lady of Mt. Carmel and our saints’ intercession, come to flower in the garden of Carmel.

Congratulations on your group becoming a Chapter, Frances. You must be very grateful to have everything concluded.

Carole
 
Maybe Littleone should check on this in New Zealand, since this may be a delay only in the US.
Littleone, if I don’t have you confused with another poster and you actually are from New Zealand, maybe this link will help:

carmelite.com/contacts/index.shtml

Go to the “Who do you wish to contact” drop down box and there’s a variety of people you can contact on this site, including friars and the Secular community. Hope this helps!
I was speaking about our friend Jenlyn. Isn’t it wonderful that she developed her vocation through our threads and friends here at CAF? Praise God! She is very disappointed, because we had soaked the whole matter in prayer for months before she finally approached her pastor. She is tottering because we felt St. Therese’s assurance that she was to go ahead with this, and now these aspirants are in limbo. Nevertheless, they are continuing to meet anyway, even though the door is seemingly closed.
I’m very happy about Jenlyn’s possible vocation 👍 . . . and sorry to hear about the difficulties she’s having. I contacted my formation director and provincial councilor to see if they might have any info on the situation with new study groups but, unfortunately, they aren’t able to help since Ohio is in a different province.

Maybe, though, St. Therese is just the right intercessor for Jen given her own difficulties entering Carmel 🙂 Going from memory now, but the only time I ever recall St. Therese using the term “Dark Night” in Story of a Soul was in reference to the trial she endured thinking her vocation was lost when her uncle initially denied his permission. Something to chew on, perhaps?

Dave 🙂
 
Hi Frances,

You may remember speaking with Jenlyn recently in this post:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=3337757&postcount=16

May we pray that God will bless this group, and through Our Lady of Mt. Carmel and our saints’ intercession, come to flower in the garden of Carmel.

Congratulations on your group becoming a Chapter, Frances. You must be very grateful to have everything concluded.

Carole
Thanks for the reminder about Jenlyn, Carole. I pray that this situation will soon be remedied so that she and all others waiting for definitive entrance into the Order may proceed. It seems to be one of those tests the Lord in His Providence throws our way on occasion.

Our Group’s status is still as a Recognized Group; we began last October and have a very solid core of ten people, three of us having made our Definitive Promises in our previous Communities. So we’re still a long way from being canonically recognized as a Community, but we’re off to a good start, thank the Lord and Our Lady!
 
Hi Frances,

You may remember speaking with Jenlyn recently in this post:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=3337757&postcount=16

May we pray that God will bless this group, and through Our Lady of Mt. Carmel and our saints’ intercession, come to flower in the garden of Carmel.

Congratulations on your group becoming a Chapter, Frances. You must be very grateful to have everything concluded.

Carole
Hi Joysong and all, yes I am a New Zealander from the deeep south.
Thank you all for your most interesting and needy information. Not only but the desire to help by praying, thank you for that, please do not stop.
One of the unusual points is that, when I was about 29 while on retreat in a monastery I asked Jesus for a person to help me live he way He wanted. In amongst all the books in the monastery one stood out that I could not let go and it was “A retreat with St Therese” who I could not remember, even though I have two sisters named after her. I fell in love with the simplicity of her way and she loving God so deeply. I knew I had found my home. Self denial was the key for me, to become as little as I could so small that I become insignificant. On the retreat I showered in the cold of winter and a thought came to me to turn off the hot water,??? I still had the power I had not let go of called human thought, I said Jesus I can’t , but You can ,and with that the water was soooooo cold, I put my arms out as if on the cross and told Jesus do to me what you will.

One day in our church this woman who had been a friend of my older sister came up to me and as we spoke about carmelites, she mentioned this book she had read thirty years ago called “a retreat with St Therese”. This woman is one wishing to be part of the new group and has just rung me to say she will be at mass tomorrow, to hear me introduce the OCD and we will go from there.
Although there is another group who gather per month and they are not the depth that I wish for, although they are a very loving praying group who come together in Auckland.
So do you see how your prayers are pulling us all together.

Thank you
Godbless
 
I have the most wonderful news, I have found a page one of you who wrote in speaking about carmelites way back in 2004.
She speaks about the secular order
The Carmelite rule
Discalced
Daily life
Becoming a secular Carmelite.
And to finish how she has been affected in her life.

I have also 4 books called "Preparing to read St John of the Cross.
How ever I also have a book from the Carmelites in Auckland city called “Carmelite Special Growth Experiences” It is a book with 9 sections of teaching from the nature of the order, rules to guidance, to a vocation all in section 1. It then goes into discussion of that section.

Making vowels, detachment from the world,
Then carries on finishing in sec9 with Participating in the monthly meetings presence at meetings community of faith, Our secular order.Spiritual directors,

So thank you , but if you are given things from God for us then please do not forget us. We will be praying for the CAF group.

Godbless.
 
I have the most wonderful news, I have found a page one of you who wrote in speaking about carmelites way back in 2004.
She speaks about the secular order
The Carmelite rule
Discalced
Daily life
Becoming a secular Carmelite.
And to finish how she has been affected in her life.

I have also 4 books called "Preparing to read St John of the Cross.
How ever I also have a book from the Carmelites in Auckland city called “Carmelite Special Growth Experiences” It is a book with 9 sections of teaching from the nature of the order, rules to guidance, to a vocation all in section 1. It then goes into discussion of that section.

Making vowels, detachment from the world,
Then carries on finishing in sec9 with Participating in the monthly meetings presence at meetings community of faith, Our secular order.Spiritual directors,

So thank you , but if you are given things from God for us then please do not forget us. We will be praying for the CAF group.

Godbless.
Thanks for the update, littleone. 🙂 It sounds like you and your group will be off to a good start. I think the book you refer to was written by Fr. Michael Griffin, O.C.D.; if so, it’s an excellent resource to aid you in forming the group. I’ll mention you and the group to my Group here in the “other South” 😉 - we’ll be praying for you.
 
Thanks for the update, littleone. 🙂 It sounds like you and your group will be off to a good start. I think the book you refer to was written by Fr. Michael Griffin, O.C.D.; if so, it’s an excellent resource to aid you in forming the group. I’ll mention you and the group to my Group here in the “other South” 😉 - we’ll be praying for you.
Hi , and yes the book is by Fr. Griffin OCD and I could not be more informed. I hope that in a short time I might be able to go back to where I came from originally about 300 Kls from where I live and start another group there since I know that there are a number who have been relating to God this way, but we will see.

Just one question that I would like answered by any person.

There seem to be two veins
1 the “mystical”
2 the “contemplative”
which one is used more these days, why and has there been a place for mystical of late I have not heard?

Thank you again
Godbless
 
littleone, I will again recommend Welcome to Carmel as an excellent way to introduce those new to Carmelite spirituality in general and to the Secular Discalced Carmelite Order in particular. Each member of my Group has a copy that they study in preparation for the next month’s meeting. At the end of each chapter (which are not difficult to read) there are questions for discussion; this would facilitate engaging and informative (and formative) meetings as you “get your feet wet” in leading the Group. Please feel free to IM me any time if you have any questions that I could possibly help you with.

God bless you in this great endeavor! 🙂
Hi FCEGM I thought I had the book but it seems not however ***how do you think the other books I mentioned would do for us? ***
I must mention here that two of us have in some way followed the “little way” and three of us are very much with OCD but have only just come together. Two of us were going to another group some 150 Kls from our town.
Godbless
 
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