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Okay (and some of this stuff is stuff I don’t care for), but to what end? If it is NOW approved, it’s no longer an abuse (I’m not sure it was an abuse before, that word gets batted around a lot. What some see as an abuse others may simply see as a variation. We haven’t always had GIRM and bishops have always had a degree of discretion). I do not think that the orans, for example, is an abuse. It also certainly wasn’t mandated by Vatican II (I do not care for it, as I’m concerned about a blurring between the priesthood and the laity). If I’m not mistaken, it was something that came to be present (a creeping presence) as a result of the charismatic movement in the Catholic Church, approved of by Paul VI and John Paul II. One of the “hallmarks” of this “style” of worship is the orans position. Even if there’s never been a document approving of it, in and of itself, there’s two popes on record as approving the movement of which the orans is a hallmark. See what I mean? AND the altar girl thing: I can see good reasons for excluding girls, but the Holy See has permitted it or at least permitted it to be determined by episcopal conferences. We can point out until the cows come home that it started as an innovation (I’m sure that the post “VII” innovations are not the first ones that the Vatican has had to prune or approve in the history of the Church), but now its approved by the competant authority.I took dumspiro to be talking about* preference. *However, since this thread is about which of these things were actually written in to Vatican 2 as opposed to being implemented after, then lets dig into this one too. It is history that I am after.
I’m trying to establish or ascertain if there were practices put into place prior to the approval of the Holy See. This would, of course, exclude any indults granted for specific parishes. Maybe no parish implemented all of these things before they were actually written into some form of document granting them. However, from all that I have heard from people who have been with the church since pre-v2, is that changes were implemented before approvals.** I’m attempting to identify which ones.**