Inquisition: How to respond

[Robertwilliam]

…We now have over 2000 subjects and growing who have undergone controlled spiritual regressions and so far, everyone has reported the SAME phenomena regardless of their prior religious beliefs or ideology. … it is you, my friend, who are hopelessly deceived and delusional.

Praying for your awakening to the truth of who you are,

Wayne

It’s just like the bible said, Because they did not receive the Truth, God gave them a spirit of DELUSION to believe a lie so that they might be damned to hell.

 

[grampswayne]

"It’s just like the bible said, Because they did not receive the Truth, God gave them a spirit of DELUSION to believe a lie so that they might be damned to hell."

Since you enjoy using the argumentum ad verecundiam let me refer you to one of the greatest attributable to Jesus: "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

8For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened."

Not all “truth” my friend is found in the Bible. If that were the case we would need the scientific methods or any criteria, or the need to discover the truth, or scientific inquiry at all…just find it in the Bible. The Bible does not have all the truth about our physical nor does it have all the truth about our spiritual one. So, when an INCONVENIENT TRUTH is discovered which might be contrary to Biblical scripture, and they are legion, what then IS THE TRUTH?

Dr. Newton wasn’t even seeking any unknown truths or looking for anything but a resolution to a client’s various issues in their life when by accident he discovered the existence of “soul memories” and his ability to access them for his clients. What he has uncovered is the most liberating spiritual knowledge to date…the truth of our eternal nature and the spirit world of our birth. Are you not interested in asking what has been revealed consistently from his thousands, and now many others who are using his induction techniques, to reveal their client’s spiritual meaning and purpose here and what their mission on this planet is for them? Do you not seek your true purpose and mission here? Do you not have questions about God’s plan for you? Do you not seek the meaning and purpose of life for us and specifically for you? Do you not knock at the door of the Kingdom of God within you and ask what you can do to make your life and other’s more loving, compassionate, understanding and forgiving…and tolerant?

Are you not curious about what other TRUTHS are now being revealed from our soul memories that might be of meaning and value to you and to mankind? If ALL truth is already established in the Bible, as I am sure you have been “thinking” as you read this, THEN why did Jesus admonish us to ask, to seek and to knock…and that the truth we uncover “will set us FREE”.

Your Brother in Spirit,

Wayne

 

[Robertwilliam]

Not all “truth” my friend is found in the Bible…
Are you not curious about what other TRUTHS are now being revealed from our soul memories that might be of meaning and value to you and to mankind? If ALL truth is already established in the Bible, as I am sure you have been “thinking” as you read this, THEN why did Jesus admonish us to ask, to seek and to knock…and that the truth we uncover “will set us FREE”.

Your Brother in Spirit,

Wayne*

All things we need to know for our salvation are revealed in the Bible so we do not need modern revelation to give us more " truth".

 

[grampswayne]

All things we need to know for our salvation are revealed in the Bible so we do not need modern revelation to give us more " truth".

Ok, but I did not say that the new information that is now being revealed to us through our soul memories is necessarily for our salvation. There are other concerns and questions about our spiritual nature, what the ultimate plan is for our lives; what is important and what is not; why do bad things happen to good people? Have you ever wondered what your soul is made of and does it pre-exist this life and what do we do between our lives…or where do we go while we are awaiting for judgment? Who are the ghosts and the angels…do they really exist?..and a thousand other mysteries and questions. Do you not wish to know more about the “afterlife” since the Bible tell us virtually nothing about it? Are you not just a bit curious and maybe even anxious about it?

So, in your statement above you make it clear we don’t NEED any more revelation, we don’t NEED any more truth…it’s all in the Bible. So, why do good people still seek it…or are they just deluded and simply refuse to see the truth of the Bible. Why do good people reject then this Bible truth and seek truth elsewhere…are they all deluded or worse, evil, as well? Only those who accept the Bible as the end of revelation are right and have all the truth that is needed…all other revelation is irrelevant and not NEEDED…is that what you are saying? All of God’s mysteries are solved…how foolish it is to seek any further truths which might lay elsewhere…just nonsense, you say.! All the truth that’s worth knowing about ourselves and God and our relationship with Divine Creation is already known…we should stop wondering, or asking, seeking and knocking. So, all the non- Christians and a good many Christians I know have been simply foolish and deluded…how sad for us all and how wonderful for you.

Here is just a taste of what his subjects have been revealing (from my own writings):
It is made very clear by all Dr. Newton’s subjects that only our actions and possibly our words and the emotional displays attached to our thoughts as they negatively affect others are of any real consequence to the hierarchy of souls to whom we directly report, and they appear to be the only ones who assess our soul’s level of attainment. Whether they consult with others unseen or the Source/Presence Itself in some “external” way is simply not known. His subjects also clearly report that we ourselves once free of our physical body and reoriented to our spiritual “home” upon physical death are the primary and foremost arbiters of whether we had successfully completed our life’s mission here. Once free of the false ego’s attachments and excuse mechanisms we are able to honestly evaluate our performance objectively. We as discarnate souls, although certainly not perfect and have much to learn and many lifetimes yet to live, do know when we have failed to meet our own goals and where we have fallen short of our expectations and those of our spiritual mentors. The old adage that we are harder on ourselves than others holds true even more so in the spirit world.

Your Brother in Spirit,

Wayne

 

[grampswayne]

I wanted to point out a few logical fallacies you are making here.

The message from Fatima did not say that those went to hell for not believing in hell. The implication was those that went to hell did so for taking a lackadaisical attitude that there was no after death penalty and if there was a heaven then they could do no wrong to prevent them from getting there. Essentially the message is one should fear God as well as love Him since He is the judge and if you take Him for granted then you are disrespecting His role as judge and not at all worried about doing things that could displease him.

As Jesus said:
Luke 12:5
But I will warn you whom to fear: fear the One who, after He has killed, has authority to cast into hell; yes, I tell you, fear Him!

And the second fallacy is imagining everyone thinks like you do and will even consider not taking responsibility for their own failures and actions like a man and seek instead to try to blame it on the devil or someone else.

All that go to hell will be required to admit before the Just Judge:
“I am damned by my own faults.”

James

The fallacies you cite are not mine. I was trying to follow his statement about the “messages” at Fatima which then lead to the logical conclusion I drew. According to you our friend was wrong about the messages telling us that Hell is filled with those that deny the existence of Hell. I am glad to hear it! And, I certainly do not “imagine” that everyone thinks as I do…how boring would that be. I do hope, however, that others are careful in what they say particularly when they condemn others for their beliefs.
If we view reality through the lens of some belief system or rigid doctrinal ideology rather than seeing it for what it is without bias or attachment, we will unconsciously resist any new evidence that contradicts that belief or understanding. Most of us interpret what life presents us through a system of thought, upheld by a reactive and unconscious ego self which is in constant need of defense. The true believers of religious “truth” and the tenured guardians of some scientific “theory” are just two examples of those who are so entrenched in defending their belief systems; many are unable to see new truth when it reveals itself to them. They have become “invested” (another word for attached to) in some truth or another and are unable to “divest” themselves without disrupting their own identity.
This is not to say that all of them are unable to incorporate new evidence or newfound truths, but it becomes easier just to either ignore any contradictory evidence or actively debunk or discredit it, so as not to have to deal with it. To include it or to seriously consider it in their established view of the world, would require for some, a complete scrapping of that view or of their lifelong investment in it. For most, this is just too untenable a task and they are woe to even entertain the idea. This is an unfortunate truth for a good many of our religious and intellectual communities and established institutions.

So, what is now being revealed to us is that we are a transcendent soul-being comprised of intelligent energy of light and color, born in a non-physical spirit world we call home, and to progress our soul towards conjoinment with our Creator/Source, we have decided to come to earth with a specific mission and incarnate in human form. The spirit world or Heaven of our birth is a very busy, and active place (extradimensional realm) filled with an all embracing unconditional love, where we are continually assessed and corrected for our mistakes here and prepared for another incarnation…it is ALWAYS OUR CHOICE. We, hopefully, each time become a little more loving and wiser. There are also spaces for healing of negative energies as well as rest and recreation along with the intensive life review and learning we are continually engaged in. We are just beginning to scratch the surface of these amazing new understandings of our soul’s journey and destiny.

Your Brother in Spirit,

Wayne

 

[dcdurel]

The Spanish inquisition was started by the Spanish government, NOT by the Church. The Church furnished scholars to determine who was really Catholic and who was really not Catholic. The Spanish government wanted to exclude those who claimed to be Catholic, but who were not really Catholic.
Sometimes the government used torture, which was opposed by the teachings of the Catholic Church. Thus the Church in her history has never approved torture, as it is contrary to the teachings Jesus handed down by His Church.

 

[CentralFLJames]

The fallacies you cite are not mine. I was trying to follow his statement about the “messages” at Fatima which then lead to the logical conclusion I drew. According to you our friend was wrong about the messages telling us that Hell is filled with those that deny the existence of Hell. I am glad to hear it! And, I certainly do not “imagine” that everyone thinks as I do…how boring would that be. I do hope, however, that others are careful in what they say particularly when they condemn others for their beliefs.
If we view reality through the lens of some belief system or rigid doctrinal ideology rather than seeing it for what it is without bias or attachment, we will unconsciously resist any new evidence that contradicts that belief or understanding. Most of us interpret what life presents us through a system of thought, upheld by a reactive and unconscious ego self which is in constant need of defense. The true believers of religious “truth” and the tenured guardians of some scientific “theory” are just two examples of those who are so entrenched in defending their belief systems; many are unable to see new truth when it reveals itself to them. They have become “invested” (another word for attached to) in some truth or another and are unable to “divest” themselves without disrupting their own identity.
This is not to say that all of them are unable to incorporate new evidence or newfound truths, but it becomes easier just to either ignore any contradictory evidence or actively debunk or discredit it, so as not to have to deal with it. To include it or to seriously consider it in their established view of the world, would require for some, a complete scrapping of that view or of their lifelong investment in it. For most, this is just too untenable a task and they are woe to even entertain the idea. This is an unfortunate truth for a good many of our religious and intellectual communities and established institutions.

So, what is now being revealed to us is that we are a transcendent soul-being comprised of intelligent energy of light and color, born in a non-physical spirit world we call home, and to progress our soul towards conjoinment with our Creator/Source, we have decided to come to earth with a specific mission and incarnate in human form. The spirit world or Heaven of our birth is a very busy, and active place (extradimensional realm) filled with an all embracing unconditional love, where we are continually assessed and corrected for our mistakes here and prepared for another incarnation…it is ALWAYS OUR CHOICE. We, hopefully, each time become a little more loving and wiser. There are also spaces for healing of negative energies as well as rest and recreation along with the intensive life review and learning we are continually engaged in. We are just beginning to scratch the surface of these amazing new understandings of our soul’s journey and destiny.

Your Brother in Spirit,

Wayne

Wayne sorry to say it guy but you are “out to lunch” on this nonsence. You be moan the distortion of belief systems that limit our perceptions but only want us to use your belief system through the fuzzy sleep world of hypnotism. You are putting your entire faith in the hallucinations of people and on the assumption that people are capable of coming to a state of objective truth independent of rational and conscious thought. That’s not reason that is something closer to divining and using spiritual mediums and trances to tap into the spirit world - a thing the bible AND the Catholic Church explicitly forbids.

You are promoting heresies and will be brought to account for teaching this nonsence.

*2116 All forms of divination are to be rejected: recourse to Satan or demons, conjuring up the dead or other practices falsely supposed to “unveil” the future. 48 Consulting horoscopes, astrology, palm reading, interpretation of omens and lots, the phenomena of clairvoyance, and recourse to mediums **all conceal a desire for power over time, history, and, in the last analysis, other human beings, as well as a wish to conciliate hidden powers. They contradict the honor, respect, and loving fear that we owe to God alone. ***

Bottom line: Babble in babble out…

James

 

[Robertwilliam]

Ok, but I did not say that the new information that is now being revealed to us through our soul memories is necessarily for our salvation. … Do you not wish to know more about the “afterlife” since the Bible tell us virtually nothing about it? Are you not just a bit curious and maybe even anxious about it?

So, in your statement above you make it clear we don’t NEED any more revelation, we don’t NEED any more truth…it’s all in the Bible. So, why do good people still seek it…or are they just deluded and simply refuse to see the truth of the Bible. Why do good people reject then this Bible truth and seek truth elsewhere…are they all deluded or worse, evil, as well? Only those who accept the Bible as the end of revelation are right and have all the truth that is needed…all other revelation is irrelevant and not NEEDED…is that what you are saying? All of God’s mysteries are solved…how foolish it is to seek any further truths which might lay elsewhere…just nonsense, you say.! All the truth that’s worth knowing about ourselves and God and our relationship with Divine Creation is already known…we should stop wondering, or asking, seeking and knocking. So, all the non- Christians and a good many Christians I know have been simply foolish and deluded…how sad for us all and how wonderful for you…

Your Brother in Spirit,

Wayne

The Bible clearly tells us that in the last days, people would seek all kinds of “spiritual teachers” outside of the Holy Catholic Church, and they would be deceived by DEMONS. All the things you speak of are examples of this. In fact, The Saints of the Church, East and West, have given us information about the after life, Heaven, Hell etc. Any thing which contradicts that is false.
But you are WAY off topic. Get back on topic.

 

[placido]

All things we need to know for our salvation are revealed in the Bible so we do not need modern revelation to give us more " truth".

The Bible nowhere says “alls things we need to know for our salvation are revealed in the Bible”. That is either your personal opinion or someboby mesled you.

 

[placido]

It’s just like the bible said, Because they did not receive the Truth, God gave them a spirit of DELUSION to believe a lie so that they might be damned to hell.

That is infortunate that II Tess 2:11 - like all other Scriptures - can be used recklessly like that.

 

[Michael_Francis]

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