Insight into the Key to Weakening the Chains of Lust in our Society

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The cornerstone to solving the sexual revolution is encouraging big, happy, and loving families. Who wants to use contraceptives, fornicate, have anal intercourse with the same sex, etc. when you love to have and raise together with another as many happy children in truth and virtue as you can?

May the Martin family pray for us! :crying:

Christi pax,

Lucretius
 
Good idea! Now all you need to do is convince your wife about this. 😃
 
Good idea! Now all you need to do is convince your wife about this. 😃
I don’t have one… I don’t think I’m cut out for marriage. Plus, I’m only twenty-one, which is still considered too young culturally.

Christi pax,

Lucretius
 
I don’t have one… I don’t think I’m cut out for marriage. Plus, I’m only twenty-one, which is still considered too young culturally.

Christi pax,

Lucretius
Good luck paying for that big family these days. You’ll not be happy or have time to be particularly loving…
 
Good luck paying for that big family these days. You’ll not be happy or have time to be particularly loving…
Most families can afford more children, I find, if they cut the excess luxury goods. I see wealth as an excuse not to become holy… remember what Jesus said to the young rich man…

Poorer nations have larger families…since we are rich, why don’t we?

Christi pax,

Lucretius
 
Most families can afford more children, I find, if they cut the excess luxury goods. I see wealth as an excuse not to become holy… remember what Jesus said to the young rich man…

Poorer nations have larger families…since we are rich, why don’t we?

Christi pax,

Lucretius
True, I’m rather frugal myself. All I can say is pray they are all in good health then. The NICU is about $3,000/day and, at least where I live the cost of just staying the NIGHT, no other added expenses is $500-1000/day. NOT counting other medical expenses that maybe needed in the future or during that hospital stay (surgeries, future hospital visits, Physical therapy, special formulas, etc…). One child is doable but multiple? That’s when you hit problems.
 
Good luck paying for that big family these days. You’ll not be happy or have time to be particularly loving…
This is not true.

I am expecting baby #6 and everyone who knows us saying we are a happy, loving family. I am far happier now than I was prior to having children.

Children are just so adorable and sweet and they are fun and lovable. Sure, it is hard work, and I worry about them, but I am incredibly blessed to be their mother.

Their father is a hard worker and a wonderful, loving man. He plays with the kids and does things like baths and cuddles and reading and taking them to the beach and museums. He is very involved.

All the rot that we imbibed from the Sexual Revolution agenda was steadily revealed to be lies and garbage and having a large family has definitely helped us to identify that and replace it with holy and noble and joyful ways of thinking and acting.

Not everyone will be able to have a large family, though. But I do agree with the OP that one way to combat the garbage of the Sexual Revolution is to have a large family. It is obvious to my husband and I that God has called us to that path. But I know for a fact that there are many other ways of living out the virtues of chastity and charity, which were so carelessly discarded in the Sexual Revolution.
 
Good luck paying for that big family these days. You’ll not be happy or have time to be particularly loving…
That’s rather a nasty comment. Many people do just fine with lots of kids. Of course, they’re not right for everyone, and children with medical issues or special needs can indeed consume a great deal of time and money. Still, blanket statements such as “You’ll not be happy” simply aren’t true. I see lovely families with one or two children, and lovely families with 11 or 12 children.

That said…I think the OP is a little naive to imagine that pushing for big families will cut down on lust and general sexual nastiness in our society. And since many people will have Padres1969’s attitude on large families (or concerns about overpopulation), what it really comes down to is a transformation in attitudes, so you’ve got a bit of a circular argument there.
 
Good luck paying for that big family these days. You’ll not be happy or have time to be particularly loving…
My husband’s experience and mine has been that as we have children, we become happier and less selfish, even when our financial situation did not change along with it.

Children involve sacrifices, sure, but they are not only a burden. They bring lots of joy, too, and opportunities to be loving to each other and to them.
 
Most families can afford more children, I find, if they cut the excess luxury goods. I see wealth as an excuse not to become holy… remember what Jesus said to the young rich man…

Poorer nations have larger families…since we are rich, why don’t we?

Christi pax,

Lucretius
While it’s not the only reason, poorer nations also have accepted lower standards of living than we do.

As just one example: in, say, Niger, you aren’t going to have CPS knocking on your door if you can’t afford a car that will fit all of your kids in some variation of car seat/booster/what-have-you 'til they’re 7+ years old. SUVs and minivans, which is what you’ll need after 2 kids in 7-10 years, cost more in gas, upkeep, and so forth than a small car does.

In Niger, you can live in a one-room, dirt-floored shack with your ten kids, and CPS won’t be knocking on your door. Here, depending on which state you live in, having more than 3-4 kids in a bedroom (and after a certain point, of mixed sexes) will have CPS investigating.

In Niger, you can pull your eight-year-old out of school so that he or she can herd cattle or work in agriculture in order to bring in a bit more money for the family. Here…not so much, plus in poorer areas, you have to worry about gang violence even at the elementary school levels. In the big city nearest to me, the worst elementary schools have active gang members waiting outside and recruiting the little kids who go to those schools to work as drug couriers. When you’re hungry and scared and all of 8 years old, earning a little cash, or approval, or just protection from being beaten up are all pretty powerful motivators to get involved with gangs.

While health insurance has become slightly less of an issue now, health care costs are still at least a consideration for many families, especially those who make too much for assistance but who have less-than-stellar healthcare coverage via job benefits: if you make, say, 50K/year, and each child means an out-of-pocket cost of 5K for the birth alone, that’s a significant chunk of change. Our family has superb health insurance, but that’s rare. Newborns also need a lot of pediatric checkups, and while we pay all of $25 for a copay for checkup, the actual charge from the doctor’s office to my insurance company is $250.

This is not at all a slam on big families: they can be wonderful, and DH came from, IMNSHO, one of the best. 😃 (He’s the oldest of 8, and neither of us would trade that for the world.) However, even just 20 years ago when he was growing up, things were very different.

I’m currently pregnant with our second. I find going to OB appointments very stressful with the older kid because I do not like having a fairly aware toddler in the room while I have a pelvic exam, or, at the risk of being blunt, when I’m bleeding heavily and having a transvaginal ultrasound to determine that I miscarried a baby*. This issue is only going to get worse as she gets older. We don’t have local family or childcare. When I bring this up to DH, who can’t take off work to watch DD, he says that his mom just left him and his siblings in the waiting room for OB appointments, or with a nurse. I can’t leave a toddler unattended in the waiting room, and the nurses/medical assistants can’t watch DD due to liability reasons, so I less-than-cheerfully forsee a time when I’ll have prepubescent (or pubescent, ugh) kids in the room with me for pelvic exams with future siblings. Lovely.
 
I’m currently pregnant with our second. I find going to OB appointments very stressful with the older kid because I do not like having a fairly aware toddler in the room while I have a pelvic exam, or, at the risk of being blunt, when I’m bleeding heavily and having a transvaginal ultrasound to determine that I miscarried a baby*. This issue is only going to get worse as she gets older. We don’t have local family or childcare. When I bring this up to DH, who can’t take off work to watch DD, he says that his mom just left him and his siblings in the waiting room for OB appointments, or with a nurse. I can’t leave a toddler unattended in the waiting room, and the nurses/medical assistants can’t watch DD due to liability reasons, so I less-than-cheerfully forsee a time when I’ll have prepubescent (or pubescent, ugh) kids in the room with me for pelvic exams with future siblings. Lovely.
I feel like this is why, in the absence of family, friendships with like-minded families will become so important (though at the point of having pubescent kids, they can babysit, which is a bonus). It takes time to build it, but if there are other young families around you, you can get to know them and help each other out.

But yes, a generation or so ago a lot of that could be taken for granted. It’s much harder now because having the support structure is not a default; you have to build it yourself.
 
That’s rather a nasty comment. Many people do just fine with lots of kids. Of course, they’re not right for everyone, and children with medical issues or special needs can indeed consume a great deal of time and money. Still, blanket statements such as “You’ll not be happy” simply aren’t true. I see lovely families with one or two children, and lovely families with 11 or 12 children.

That said…I think the OP is a little naive to imagine that pushing for big families will cut down on lust and general sexual nastiness in our society. And since many people will have Padres1969’s attitude on large families (or concerns about overpopulation), what it really comes down to is a transformation in attitudes, so you’ve got a bit of a circular argument there.
It may be a nasty comment, but in my experience it’s far too often a true comment. Not obviously applicable to everyone, but far too often I’ve come across families who had more kids than they could reasonably afford in today’s world and while they do their best, the financial strain in particular takes a toll on both happiness and their ability to express fully their love for each other.
 
It may be a nasty comment, but in my experience it’s far too often a true comment. Not obviously applicable to everyone, but far too often I’ve come across families who had more kids than they could reasonably afford in today’s world and while they do their best, the financial strain in particular takes a toll on both happiness and their ability to express fully their love for each other.
Very true. I grew up in a home where the electricity was not always on and my parents worried about being able to keep a roof over our heads. Poverty puts an enormous strain on people, especially parents. I don’t know how my mom and stepfather made it through with me, and they definitely couldn’t have managed six.
 
Good luck paying for that big family these days. You’ll not be happy or have time to be particularly loving…
That is total nonsense.

Bigger families equal happier children and more fulfilled parents in my experience. Unless they’re on the breadline, most western families can afford to have more than the western average of 1.5 children.

Part of the reason that western couples don’t have more children is simply out of selfishness or lack of willingness to change their comfy lifestyles to accommodate children.

To the OP I would say that the “culturally acceptable” age to get married is irrelevant. People keep telling me I’m so young to be getting married. I’m 28. In my view if you meet the woman you want to marry, then go for it. Par of the reason that many people are having fertility issues these days is because they leave it too late to have kids.
 
Lust can be a vice, but cannot maturate into sin, without habitual cause to do so.
 
Who is judging? :confused:
You made a sweeping generalization about how a large family was doomed to be “unloving and unhappy” due to financial limitations. That is rash judgment by any standard.

Families are extraordinarily heterogeneous. One can be childless (or have only one child) and be miserable, even if materially comfortable; similarly, another could be living on a shoestring budget, but still happy.
 
I don’t have one… I don’t think I’m cut out for marriage. Plus, I’m only twenty-one, which is still considered too young culturally.

Christi pax,

Lucretius
Sorry, I tend to write cryptically at times. What I meant was that while your idea is a good one (if a bit simplistic), such decisions have to be taken by couples jointly. In these days where both men and women are influenced by materialism and the “contraceptive mentality”, that is not always a given. 🙂
 
Very true. I grew up in a home where the electricity was not always on and my parents worried about being able to keep a roof over our heads. Poverty puts an enormous strain on people, especially parents. I don’t know how my mom and stepfather made it through with me, and they definitely couldn’t have managed six.
Exactly. I keep seeing that it’s “western society’s obsession with comfort” and the like as excuses as to why people don’t have kids. My experience is that yes that is sometimes true. But often times it really is the fact that the finances of 2016 don’t work the same way that the finances of 1956 did. And furthermore I’d argue that it’s a very privileged western view that doesn’t see the dark side that the financial burdens in particular of children can have on a family. It’s not just about comfort, it’s about necessities for survival. And when you don’t have necessities or struggle for them, it’s much harder to have a happy or loving home.

I mean my own parents struggled a lot more compared to their parents (who were both stereotypical 50’s/60’s families with several kids, mom at home, etc…) and as a result my father was largely absent for the first 10 years of my life working to provide for his family with my mom as home maker. Now a generation later, to maintain a much simpler and more frugal lifestyle than my dad provided alone, my wife and I are both having to work full time. It would be even worse if we weren’t blessed with my wife being able to do about 90% of her job from home. I fear for what my daughter will face in another 25+ years when it comes time for her to raise a family if she chooses to do so.
 
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