Institute of the Incarnate Word (IVE)

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I didn’t notice your last post until a little while ago, or I would have responded to it much earlier…

I appreciate your apology for your claims about the numbers of priests in the IVE. However, surely you can recognize that when you claim that a religious order is lying (for that was your assertion) about how many members it has, and you yourself present a much smaller number that has no basis in anything but your own best guess of what it might be and then present it as factual, what you are doing is indeed smearing. Such a cavalier attitude toward the truth severely damages your credibility.

What troubles me about the sincerity of your apology is that you continue to reject our given number without any explanation, and instead have simply doubled your original fictitious estimate to 200: Thanks, but no thanks! There are about 350 priests in our religious order, and to have a further argument about this with someone who has absolutely no idea except that someone somewhere told him 50% of our priests had left is bizarre in the extreme.

Regarding being “kicked out” of Argentina: it is simply inaccurate, and the allegation was presumably made in the same spirit as your claim that he have fewer than 100 priests. However, I will elaborate regarding your secondary claims. About 10 years ago there was a roughly 3-year period when the local ordinary in the diocese of San Rafael refused to ordain our seminarians. We run our own seminary and have a traditional approach to priestly formation. We base our curriculum around the teaching of St. Thomas Aquinas and refused to teach Rahner, Bultmann, and other modernist conceptions of theology, exegesis, and philosophy. We also absolutely reject the idea of teaching liberation theology and other doctrines incompatible with Catholic social doctrine and the Magisterium. For these reasons (among other) we were not very popular with everyone.

There were a number of important figures in the Church in Argentina (I’ll call them X) who were bitterly opposed to our existence, and were especially galled by fact that our seminary had grown so large. Really they wanted our seminary to be closed. To give you a sense of the animosity, in some dioceses priests I personally know were forbidden from even celebrating mass in parish churches when they went home to visit their families simply because they were in the IVE, even though they had faculties and had incurred no irregularity. Anyway, these folks asked for an official visitation of our seminary. The Holy See agreed to this request, and X asked for one of their fellow travelers to head the visitation. That suggestion was accepted, and not surprisingly this visitor determined that there were grave problems in our seminary (NB: nothing to do with sexual perversity of any kind)—namely, that we were ultra-right, had a spirit of disobedience to the Holy See and Vatican II (totally untrue!), and so on. He recommended that Fr. Buela leave Argentina and have nothing to do with the IVE or its seminary—this despite the fact that no specific canonical charge had been made against him. Fr. Buela accepted this judgment (that is obedience) and went to Peru. But there was a great uproar at what was patently an unjust process and sentence. Ultimately the Holy See arranged another visitation, this time by an unbiased visitor chosen by Holy See. This visitor determined that there was absolutely nothing wrong with our seminary or our priests and Fr. Buela was called back from Peru. It was, however, a difficult time for our religious family, to say the least.

Around the same time, Bishop Andrea Erba of Velletri-Segni (one of the suburbicarian dioceses around Rome) invited us into his diocese, and offered to establish us as a Religious Congregation of Diocesan Right. Naturally we accepted, and de facto our general government moved to Italy. (Ultimately our general government moved to Rome, as being the most appropriate place for an international missionary congregation.) Frankly, we don’t talk much about these difficulties (especially with laypeople and novices) because it doesn’t reflect well on parts of the Church in Argentina, and it was rather traumatic for us—especially those men who had to wait three years to be ordained, or who spend three years as transitional deacons! Regarding your canon law question on the responsibility of the local ordinary in withholding ordination: no comment.

Your next allegations are about Cardinal McCarrick—you don’t mention his name in your post, but you do on your website. It has not escaped us that he has a reputation for being in the liberal camp in the Church. Neither I nor the IVE are in any way capable of speaking for him–either as regards his own positions or why he has concerned himself with us. We have not gone out “finding” bishops and cardinals to support us. Cardinal McCarrick was archbishop of Washington, which is where our seminary is located, and over the years (even after his retirement) he has been a great help to us. I have no idea what moved him to help us as much as he has, but we are very grateful for that help. However, I would encourage anyone interested in my religious family to judge our doctrinal orthodoxy and our position on important moral and social issues on our own merits. There is simply nothing in Church teaching or canon law that the IVE dissents from. Period. So judge us based on those things for which we are responsible.
 
And now with regard to the rest of your assertions…

If we are obsessed with “recruitment” as you call it, why do we take missions in places where there is (at least humanly speaking) no possibility of gaining vocations? Why are we in Greenland? In Tajikistan? (Where the total Catholic population in a country the size of Wisconsin is 250 souls.) In Holland? (Where the practice of the faith has grown desperately weak.) In Siberia? In the Gaza Strip? Why do we almost always take the poorest parishes in places where practice of the faith is almost extinct? I have personally heard people outside the IVE who believe they have our best interests in mind criticize us for taking missions like this, because they won’t bring us vocations or anything else tangible. Trust me, getting vocations is not what motivates us—vocations to our religious family are a gift from God, and we recognize that.

The end of your post is exactly the same as the post you made on the other thread about the IVE, so I will just quote the response I made to you there.

Please be assured that I have no obsession with your identity, nor do I think that my post would incline you to think that is the case. You may feel the need to remain anonymous, but the idea that you face “retribution” of some kind for speaking badly of the IVE is pretty far-fetched. About refuting all your claims: maybe I (or someone else) will do it one of these days, but it’s rather a time-consuming proposition, since you seem to have put a lot of time and effort into coming up with various allegations. And honestly, most of the accusations (e.g., “the IVE’s superiors are too young”) are not really worth responding to. Sigh.

You say that you make “every effort” to back up your posts with objective evidence. Yet I see really no objective evidence for any of the claims you make, except a few links to sketchy internet sites in Spanish (incidentally, carefully examine the ideological bias of those sites, and see who/what else they criticize). With regards to our founder and photographs, I presume that you mean that you have unearthed several photos of Fr. Buela wearing (gasp!) a clerical suit and not a cassock. But you have provided no information (nor, I suspect, do you know) about why a priest might wear a clerical suit and not his cassock. For example: when relaxing among his religious brothers, potentially under certain difficult travel circumstances (including when it might be dangerous), if his health was poor and he was in a very hot place, etc.

And most importantly: believe it or not, sometimes priests are told (or asked) by bishops or others in authority not to wear the cassock—this is rarely a legitimate request, but sometimes one has to pick one’s battles, and it is always better to err on the side of obedience. (Incidentally, this has even happened to me: I elected to obey the regulation of the bishop in question and not make a big issue out of it, even though according to canon law no doubt I could have.) In our case this is particularly tricky, since the cassock is primarily used by diocesan clergy, and many (even most) diocesan clergy think of the cassock as a quasi-liturgical garment, fit only to be worn on parish property. I also recall that several of our priests, when they first arrived in the U.S., were told by diocesan priests that the cassock was prohibited to be worn (something with some precedent in other countries), or that it was not a legitimate Catholic tradition in the US (again, obviously false). However, I will speak for myself: except when playing sports, hunting, or things like that, I wear my cassock all day and everywhere—including when I go grocery shopping, when I travel, etc.—and that has been encouraged.

I want you to know that I do not find your words “hurtful.” (Although I do confess an intense dislike for that word.) Furthermore, I do not know what “recruiting” has to do with someone discerning his vocation, and it simply untrue to say that we want to recruit men into our religious family who do not have a true religious vocation. Indeed, why on earth would we want to? We will spend the rest of our lives living in small communities, and if (as St. John Berchmans says) life in community can in itself be a great penance, life in community with men who do not have authentic religious vocations would be absolutely unendurable!

That does not mean that as soon as someone has some temptation to leave the religious state everyone will say: “Okay, you aren’t called to the priesthood or religious life, go ahead and leave.” After all, these temptations happen to absolutely everyone at some point (especially in the novitiate), and the devil is very crafty in knowing how to push our buttons. Spiritual directors especially feel the need to encourage perseverance. Nonetheless, the temptation is very often to second-guess or even disregard our spiritual director–this is why the saints so universally encourage obedience to one’s director (even when he says something you don’t want to hear) as the surest path to holiness.

In any case, I am sorry that you found your time in my religious family so unpleasant—for me it has been nothing but a great joy. I wish you nothing but happiness, and I pray that you will discern where He wants you and persevere in that vocation. God bless you.
 
Finally, let me say that (as you can tell) these posts have become rather large and time-consuming, and they also run the risk of dragging in the names of particular people, which I am really not willing to do. I am willing to discuss specific questions you (or anyone else) may have–feel free to send me a message, but I can’t keep up the message board battle!

Please keep me and my religious family in your prayers, and know that you will continue to be in mine (really!).
 
A word from Ireland.

There was a small group from this order here for a while, but one of their priests was … sent away from Ireland and the others followed.

It was to do with material on his computer…

I have no doubt there will be some “explanation” given here .

Wise ones take heed please.

qas s
 
@iveinfo

Your website makes several claims, let’s examine a few:

2 serious ones
  1. 50% attrition of priests. Every religious institute has to fill out a report each year indicating new priests and those who left, this can be obtained from the Vatican (pontifical rite) or the home diocese (diocesan rite). If it is 40%-50% that is very high, 20-25% is (unfortunately) normal. If you get the documents to prove this claim, I’ll believe you.
  2. The superiors don’t help you discern once you are in. If 1 is true, I’ll believe it. If not, only a proper investigation could prove this.
2 silly ones
3. The IVE has a norm in its constitutions to always wear the cassock but they don’t. 2 points: a. this is either in a lesser book of norms (not the constitutions) or will be removed; we in the Legion had a norm that was less that this, and it was removed in our recent revision because it is not for the constitutional level. b. The pictures you show have them wearing a collar; if we had mass in a Hawaiian T-shirt and no alb I’d be concerned but not this.
  1. The IVE lets you enter before your discernment is complete. Way to go IVE! They should not let you make final vows without finishing discernment but the Church points out novitiate and temporal vows as a time of discernment.
I don’t have personal to do with the IVE.

@DCV Can you please ask somebody to clean up your wikipedia page. PM me if you don’t understand how.
 
Just a short update: iveinfo sent me a PM and directed me towards several areas in their constitution which brought out two more general points (I am not going to share specifics).
  1. The norm about the habit does not say ALWAYS which makes an attack on priests wearing clerical shirts even more odd. I am in a community that has a habit but 90% of the time I leave the house, I wear a clerical shirt not my cassock.
  2. The IVE constitutions do not show an official approval at the beginning which makes me believe they are not officially approved. They seem like a good working document of norms as none of the areas I read had anything against religious life.
    However, they had some issues regarding levels of norms similar to what we in the Legion had and are currently fixing (another reason I suspect they are not approved). Certain things are in the constitution that should be specified in a lesser norm. Analogously, we all agree robbery is a crime but it would seem odd in a state constitution. This is not a issue of their spirit but more a canonical issue that will be solved whenever a canon lawyer helps them prepare a definitive edition. (If I am wrong and they are fully approved, please tell me; I am not much of an expert but having to revise our own constitutions you learn a little.)
 
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