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Hasn’t anyone in the DC area corresponded with the IVE before?
 
While I’ve had some encounters with the IVE, I have had none with the Oblates and therefore cannot offer some sort of comparison. Objectively speaking though (as in not relative to the Oblates), I think the IVE is a very solid orthodox order. The sisters wear habits, the brothers have the cassock as theirs, nothing silly in their Mass, very strong Marian devotion. If you have specific questions, I might be able to answer them from my experiences (or I might not be able to…) but I can’t give you a general overall account, at least any better than their website can.
 
I’m actually very interested in both of these orders too so I’d be happy to hear if you have any feedback from anyone or if you visit them or speak to them at all.

For me, I was struck by both of their websites quite strongly. The IVE vocations website, in particular, gives even more information and is really quite impressive in my opinion. The Oblates website doesn’t give as much information, but I was attracted by what I found there almost immediately.

Right now, I’ve spoken with the Oblates a bit and only a little with the IVE. Both have invited me for a visit and I want to do so. I suppose that it’s only then that I’ll get a real feel for what they’re about.

The IVE’s Constitution is available online and I’m going to read that in the hope of getting a better understanding of what they’re about. The Oblates said I could read their Constitution when I visit.

Both orders appear to be orthodox and sincere, which is a must for me. I’m drawn to the ‘tone’ of the IVE, at least from what I’ve gathered on the site. They seem very matter of fact, straight forward and certain of what they believe. That’s encouraging. Not that the Oblates don’t, it just doesn’t come through as strongly.

I would like to know more about what the orders actually do and what I may be doing if I join them.

What drew your interest to these two orders? Have you considered any others?

Are you certain you want to join an order of a similar nature?

May the Holy Spirit guide us both and God’s will be done.
NTG
 
The Oblate priest whom I spoke too is an absolutely spiritual person who has much insight on traditional Catholic spirituality. The priests from both orders are serious about nurturing vocations. How do I know? Unlike other orders who request that aspirants take as much of their time outside, both priests actually encouraged me to immediately take up the Lord’s call to enter the Seminary with uncompromising faith.

NotThatGuy, like yourself, I was completely taken in by both websites. I can find so much affiliation with everything put across in the pages. Furthermore, I noticed that they are very traditional in their approach to the religious life: stressing it as principally, the salvation of the religious’ own soul above all else.

The IVE’s website is much more informative. I liked their response to the question, “Are you liberal or conservative”. I actually printed the IVE constituitions and am going to bind them. It is a real wealth of information on spirituality and doctrine et alia.

I have actually considered other orders like the Redemptorists and Christ the King. I have also considered my diocese. However, I cannot stand the liberal nature of the Redemptorists and the diocese. I spoke to Mons. Schimtz before but do not think that Christ the King is for me either (not really looking into traditional orders). Anyway, what attracted me to the Oblates and the IVE was the way they presented themselves on the net- as orthodox, faithful servents of Christ and His Church. And their focus on Mary and the Eucharist. The fact that they wear their habit is also a plus because it is an indication of the direction they are moving.

At this moment, I can say with confidence that these are the orders I am sincerely discerning and would hope to join either one in due time. I do not think that I can settle for any less. Both are indeed impressive orders, faithful to Rome, and have a devotion of the Eucharist and Mary.

The I impressed by the FAQ section in the IVE website. The openess to the Tridentine Mass is a clear indication of their inclinations to tradition and promotion of orthodoxy. The IVE Press is currently re-awakening in Catholics, the idea of the Mass as a holy sacrifice.

May the Lord be gracious upon us and shed His light on us so that we make follow the path that He has laid for us. Amen.
 
That’s a great insight about the Oblate priest you spoke with in terms of taking up the Lord’s call with uncompromising faith. I’ve actually been discouraged a bit by some orders who seem to make you wait it out. For me, I’ve been discerning for a long time and feel I’ve ‘waited it out’ too long–perhaps to my own detriment.

I too liked the IVE’s response to “Are you liberal or conservative?” as well as their other FAQ replies.

And I too was attracted by the Oblates and the IVE in that they presented themselves as orthodox, faithful servents of Christ and His Church, and their focus on Mary and the Eucharist.

Something else interesting too, I thought, was that both place an emphasis on the Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius of Loyola. I had an interest in Ignatius before I’ve heard of both of these orders, and tried looking into the Jesuits, but I’m fearful of the liberalism among some Jesuits. I want an order that is unified and faithful.
 
With regards to the IVE and their website, I most definitely agree that they have quite an impressive FAQ page. My favorite answer, however, would have to be:
Q. Do you have to have graduated from college to enter your seminary?
… In those cases, you need to undertake a prudent process of discernment in order to purify your intentions—you should not be foolish, but neither should you be motivated by pride or procrastination, or by the desire to see out your plans for yourself at the expense of God’s plans for you, remembering that a year’s delay means at least 365 masses that you will never be able to say![emphasis added]
Oh man… Although I am currently discerning with my diocese, I will say (just don’t tell my vocations director! 😉 ) that I have thought about discerning with the IVE and am still open to it, if it is the Lord’s will. And if either/both of you end up with the IVE, will you please let me know? I know quite a few of them (went to WYD in Australia with them) and would love to add a few more to the list! Oh, and their Sisters (“Servants of the Lord” - full name "Sisters Servants of the Lord and the Virgin of Matara) are awesome too.
 
Hey, I sent you guys PMs

Anyone else, please PM me if you want to know more about this order, and I’ll tell you about my experiences (which have been very positive.)

I also recommend this blog, written by a current IVE seminarian:

danielvitz.blogspot.com/
 
Hey guys, Im also discerning entering the IVE and I recently visited them, if you are still looking for some info on them I would be happy to discuss my experience. God bless,
TJB
 
Hey guys, Im also discerning entering the IVE and I recently visited them, if you are still looking for some info on them I would be happy to discuss my experience. God bless,
TJB
I’d be happy to hear anything you have to share.

Many thanks,
NTG
 
If you have questions, a number of us had bad experiences there, and have put up a site at iveinfo.org

You can take it or leave it, but we want to give people the opportunity to hear a different perspective.
 
I’m an IVE seminarian, and if you ever have questions about my religious family or issues you’d like to know more about, feel free to send me a message here. And I would be very careful of the above-mentioned website: anonymous detractors of anything aren’t a very reliable source. The If you want info from those types of sources, you should find out who’s behind them. If they won’t even give you their name, then why should you trust them? Is it someone who was ever even a member of the IVE? Is it someone who abandoned their vows? Or left after a few weeks and never even got the know the order? All things to think–and pray!–about…
 
With regard to anonymity, there are couple obvious reasons for it. *One of those reasons is evident in your obsession with our identity and your “attack the messenger” approach. You are free to deny or dispute any of our accusations, but it would be better if you spoke about the accusations instead of the person writing them.

You are right about credibility being problematic for anonymous sources. This has always been a problem for those who fear retribution for pointing out errors. Yet we are not trying to argue from a position of personal authority. This is why we make every effort to back up all of our posts with objective evidence. For example when we state that the Institute does not always follow its constitutions we are able to provide an example of this by showing paragraphs from those constitutions and then showing several pictures them being disobeyed - by the founder no less. When we comment on the history of the order we provide links to the Argentine sources we are summarizing. In these cases we are simply aggregating information already made available, but not readily accessible to those on the English language web. In other cases we outline common practices that any discerner could verify through his or her own experience by visiting and asking questions - and we encourage them to do so. There are many examples of this on our site.

We can understand how some of the ideas we share can be hurtful or could easily anger a member of the IVE. We also appreciate your encouragement to readers to discern correctly and we have no doubt you believe it, and that you are trying to live a holy life. Still, that doesn’t change the fact that the IVE’s practices we outline on the website - especially in the area of recruiting - deserve to be made available to those considering the Institute so they can make an informed decision.
 
Please be assured that I have no obsession with your identity, nor do I think that my post would incline you to think that is the case. You may feel the need to remain anonymous, but the idea that you face “retribution” of some kind for speaking badly of the IVE is pretty far-fetched. About refuting all your claims: maybe I (or someone else) will do it one of these days, but it’s rather a time-consuming proposition, since you seem to have put a lot of time and effort into coming up with various allegations. And honestly, most of the accusations (e.g., “the IVE’s superiors are too young”) are not really worth responding to. Sigh.

You say that you make “every effort” to back up your posts with objective evidence. Yet I see really no objective evidence for any of the claims you make, except a few links to sketchy internet sites in Spanish (incidentally, carefully examine the ideological bias of those sites, and see who/what else they criticize). With regards to our founder and photographs, I presume that you mean that you have unearthed several photos of Fr. Buela wearing (gasp!) a clerical suit and not a cassock. But you have provided no information (nor, I suspect, do you know) about why a priest might wear a clerical suit and not his cassock. For example: when relaxing among his religious brothers, potentially under certain difficult travel circumstances (including when it might be dangerous), if his health was poor and he was in a very hot place, etc.

And most importantly: believe it or not, sometimes priests are told (or asked) by bishops or others in authority not to wear the cassock—this is rarely a legitimate request, but sometimes one has to pick one’s battles, and it is always better to err on the side of obedience. (Incidentally, this has even happened to me: I elected to obey the regulation of the bishop in question and not make a big issue out of it, even though according to canon law no doubt I could have.) In our case this is particularly tricky, since the cassock is primarily used by diocesan clergy, and many (even most) diocesan clergy think of the cassock as a quasi-liturgical garment, fit only to be worn on parish property. I also recall that several of our priests, when they first arrived in the U.S., were told by diocesan priests that the cassock was prohibited to be worn (something with some precedent in other countries), or that it was not a legitimate Catholic tradition in the US (again, obviously false). However, I will speak for myself: except when playing sports, hunting, or things like that, I wear my cassock all day and everywhere—including when I go grocery shopping, when I travel, etc.—and that has been encouraged.

I want you to know that I do not find your words “hurtful.” (Although I do confess an intense dislike for that word.) Furthermore, I do not know what “recruiting” has to do with someone discerning his vocation, and it simply untrue to say that we want to recruit men into our religious family who do not have a true religious vocation. Indeed, why on earth would we want to? We will spend the rest of our lives living in small communities, and if (as St. John Berchmans says) life in community can in itself be a great penance, life in community with men who do not have authentic religious vocations would be absolutely unendurable!

That does not mean that as soon as someone has some temptation to leave the religious state everyone will say: “Okay, you aren’t called to the priesthood or religious life, go ahead and leave.” After all, these temptations happen to absolutely everyone at some point (especially in the novitiate), and the devil is very crafty in knowing how to push our buttons. Spiritual directors especially feel the need to encourage perseverance. Nonetheless, the temptation is very often to second-guess or even disregard our spiritual director–this is why the saints so universally encourage obedience to one’s director (even when he says something you don’t want to hear) as the surest path to holiness.

In any case, I am sorry that you found your time in my religious family so unpleasant—for me it has been nothing but a great joy. I wish you nothing but happiness, and I pray that you will discern where He wants you and persevere in that vocation. God bless you.
 
You are right. There are a number of very important issues, but this forum is probably not the place to hash them out so we are going to have to agree to disagree on some points.

We encourage those considering the IVE to read the information on our site and we also encourage them to contact the institute itself for answers to their questions.

We wish them (and yourself) the best in pursuit of God’s will in the their lives.
 
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