Instruction Universae Ecclesiae to be released on Friday

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From the Holy See Press Office:The Holy See Press Office announces that the Instruction Universae Ecclesiae of the Pontifical Commission “Ecclesia Dei”, on the application of the motu proprio Summorum Pontificum, will be made public on Friday, May 13th, and will be published on that afternoon (May 14th edition of L’Osservatore Romano). The Instruction will be published in its Latin typical version, and in Italian, English, French, German, Spanish, and Portuguese translations.
Per Father Z, who is supporting the embargo, the National Catholic Reporter is likely to be unhappy about what’s in this instruction…and so that’s a good thing!!
 
markomalley said:
From the Holy See Press Office:The Holy See Press Office announces that the Instruction Universae Ecclesiae of the Pontifical Commission “Ecclesia Dei”, on the application of the motu proprio Summorum Pontificum, will be made public on Friday, May 13th, and will be published on that afternoon (May 14th edition of L’Osservatore Romano). The Instruction will be published in its Latin typical version, and in Italian, English, French, German, Spanish, and Portuguese translations.
Per Father Z, who is supporting the embargo, the National Catholic Reporter is likely to be unhappy about what’s in this instruction…and so that’s a good thing!!
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but this will/should further clarify the hows/whens the Extraordinary Form can be celebrated within a diocese (as in make it more clear to Bishops and Priests how it can go about being celebrated)?
 
The first link to the “Holy See Press Office” did not work. Is the link incorrect or has the page been moved/taken down?

This will be neat to see. We never did get an official English translation of Summorum Pontificum, so it will be good to get one of this new instruction. 🙂
 
Melchior said:
Correct me if I’m wrong, but this will/should further clarify the hows/whens the Extraordinary Form can be celebrated within a diocese (as in make it more clear to Bishops and Priests how it can go about being celebrated)?
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There have been endless quantities of rumors surrounding this instruction; we’ll just have to wait a couple of more days in order to find out…
 
markomalley said:
There have been endless quantities of rumors surrounding this instruction; we’ll just have to wait a couple of more days in order to find out…
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Probably won’t be that earth shattering.

My prediction; BXVI makes it even easier to say the Extraordinary Form by saying flat out “if a parish wants it and has the resources, they should be able to say it”, Perhaps with canonical penalties for Bishops who refuse.
 
markomalley said:
From the Holy See Press Office:The Holy See Press Office announces that the Instruction Universae Ecclesiae of the Pontifical Commission “Ecclesia Dei”, on the application of the motu proprio Summorum Pontificum, will be made public on Friday, May 13th, and will be published on that afternoon (May 14th edition of L’Osservatore Romano). The Instruction will be published in its Latin typical version, and in Italian, English, French, German, Spanish, and Portuguese translations.
Per Father Z, who is supporting the embargo, the National Catholic Reporter is likely to be unhappy about what’s in this instruction…and so that’s a good thing!!
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It will be interesting to compare the translations.
 
Melchior said:
Probably won’t be that earth shattering.

My prediction; BXVI makes it even easier to say the Extraordinary Form by saying flat out “if a parish wants it and has the resources, they should be able to say it”, Perhaps with canonical penalties for Bishops who refuse.
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Can’t have them until enough priests can say them.
 
ProVobis said:
Can’t have them until enough priests can say them.
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True. I’m mostly thinking of some people around here have said that “we have the resources, we’re getting pushed back” and this might be something to correct that.

I suppose I’m in the minority in that OF or EF, I don’t see why people so vehemently can hate one or the other. Prefer, yes. But so much of this could be solved just by applying a nice coat of “meh”. Hopefully Friday’s announcement will reflect that.
 
Perhaps it will mandate all seminarians learn the Extraordinary Form? There were rumors about that about a month ago.
 
Geremia said:
Perhaps it will mandate all seminarians learn the Extraordinary Form? There were rumors about that about a month ago.
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That would be my hope… At the moment parishes/bishops might be able to use the excuse that they don’t have enough priests trained to celebrate the Extraordinary Form of the Holy Mass, but if seminarians were being trained to celebrate it, a few years down the line there would be no such excuse! I have thought that it should be mandatory to learn the basics - e.g. how to celebrate a low-Mass - and if an individual seminarian (or a group of seminarians) wants further training in the more intricate ceremonies of the E.F. the seminary should be obliged to provide this…

Unfortunately, the speculation a few weeks ago, if I remember correctly, was suggesting that the instruction will only recommend that seminaries provide training in the E.F. - at this stage, however, I think we need more than mere recommendations. I know of one seminary which received a letter a few years ago from the Holy See about providing such training, and the letter was blatantly ignored - so I hope the Holy Father will take a more hard-line approach on this matter: the letter with the nicey-nice approach simply won’t get further than the rubbish bin in some seminaries!

Anyway, as others have said, we can only wait until Friday…I am certainly getting very excited about this:)
 
Geremia said:
Perhaps it will mandate all seminarians learn the Extraordinary Form? There were rumors about that about a month ago.
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I am not against this happening. I do prefer the Ordinary Form but would not be against learning the EF but…

What classes do you suggest we drop from our program to facilitate the additional class time in learning Latin (for those seminaries that do not require Latin (do not argue that they should do so as I know that but many, if not most, do not) as well as the classes to teach the EF rites?
 
Melchior said:
Probably won’t be that earth shattering.

My prediction; BXVI makes it even easier to say the Extraordinary Form by saying flat out “if a parish wants it and has the resources, they should be able to say it”, Perhaps with canonical penalties for Bishops who refuse.
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Can’t see that happening because ultimately the Bishops have the authority over any and all public Liturgies in his diocese. Unless the Pope would change Canon Law. Wasn’t that one of the clarifications of SP that it was not meant to usurp the authority of Bishops with regards to Liturgy in their territory?
 
ByzCath said:
I am not against this happening. I do prefer the Ordinary Form but would not be against learning the EF but…

What classes do you suggest we drop from our program to facilitate the additional class time in learning Latin (for those seminaries that do not require Latin (do not argue that they should do so as I know that but many, if not most, do not) as well as the classes to teach the EF rites?
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How about dropping the classes to teach the OF? 😃

Seriously, if seminaries could teach it before then they can teach it now. I hear that seminaries in India still teach Latin (and apparently they’ve never used it for their rite). If they can learn a language which they are not really using, why can’t American seminaries teach Latin when it WILL be used?

If finding time is such a big problem, add a year to seminarians’ studies! That oughta work!
 
ByzCath said:
I am not against this happening. I do prefer the Ordinary Form but would not be against learning the EF but…
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As an O.Carm, would you not need the permission of your superior to offer the EF? Of course, you’d need similar permission to offer the venerable Carmelite Rite, but that might be easier to get (at least for “private” use). (And if that were to happen, I hope you’d remember to let me know. I’d love to assist! 😉 )
ByzCath said:
What classes do you suggest we drop from our program to facilitate the additional class time in learning Latin (for those seminaries that do not require Latin (do not argue that they should do so as I know that but many, if not most, do not) as well as the classes to teach the EF rites?
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In re the language per-se, the first question is how many hours are involved? A basic course in Latin, say, 2 academic hours per semester for, say, two years, would be more than sufficient. We used to call that a “dovetail course” which was an easy credit. Just as, e.g., one doesn’t have to be a “Vietnamese scholar” to say the OF in that language, one doesn’t have to be a “Latin scholar” to offer the EF.

In re the EF itself, that’s not a big deal. I believe that The O.Praem and the Canon of St John Cantius (among other) have video courses available. With a bit of Latin in the back-pocket, learning the rubrics of Mass isn’t rocket science. Now, the Carmelite Rite is a slightly different matter, but if permission were granted to offer same, it would be the responsibility of the Order to teach it. But even that isn’t rocket science. What I’m saying is that, whether the EF or the Carmelite Rite, it’s not particularly difficult, nor is it really that time-consuming. 😉
 
The_Curt_Jester said:
How about dropping the classes to teach the OF? 😃

Seriously, if seminaries could teach it before then they can teach it now. I hear that seminaries in India still teach Latin (and apparently they’ve never used it for their rite). If they can learn a language which they are not really using, why can’t American seminaries teach Latin when it WILL be used?

If finding time is such a big problem, add a year to seminarians’ studies! That oughta work!
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The EF was taught just as the OF is taught now in the seminary. The OF is the norm, it is as its title says, the Ordinary Form in the Latin Church.

How could that be dropped and replaced with the EF? Then you still need to drop something else for the required Latin.

The majority of Masses celebrated in the Church is the OF, to all the suddenly turn out priests who have not been trained in the Ordinary Form (the norm) in the Church would be (sorry for the language) stupid and irresponsible.

I guess we could tack on another semester and make the Masters of Divinity for ordination 9 semesters (4 and a half years) instead of 8 semesters (4 years).

Granted if they do mandate such a change I will most likely be grandfathered in under the current guidelines so it would not affect me in any way.
 
malphono said:
As an O.Carm, would you not need the permission of your superior to offer the EF? Of course, you’d need similar permission to offer the venerable Carmelite Rite, but that might be easier to get (at least for “private” use). (And if that were to happen, I hope you’d remember to let me know. I’d love to assist! 😉 )

In re the language per-se, the first question is how many hours are involved? A basic course in Latin, say, 2 academic hours per semester for, say, two years, would be more than sufficient. We used to call that a “dovetail course” which was an easy credit. Just as, e.g., one doesn’t have to be a “Vietnamese scholar” to say the OF in that language, one doesn’t have to be a “Latin scholar” to offer the EF.

In re the EF itself, that’s not a big deal. I believe that The O.Praem and the Canon of St John Cantius (among other) have video courses available. With a bit of Latin in the back-pocket, learning the rubrics of Mass isn’t rocket science. Now, the Carmelite Rite is a slightly different matter, but if permission were granted to offer same, it would be the responsibility of the Order to teach it. But even that isn’t rocket science. What I’m saying is that, whether the EF or the Carmelite Rite, it’s not particularly difficult, nor is it really that time-consuming. 😉
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Your right, as a religious we do fall under a different set of rules, but it would still required added time to the secular seminary for those who attend there.

Rome and the USCCB are also very strange in having the same mandated rules for all seminaries and theologates (at least at this time). They seem to wish to treat all studying for the priesthood in the same way. After all it is usually the bishops at the USCCB that write the guidelines and then for some unknown reason the conference of Major Superiors of Men seem to sign off on it.

It is to the bishops advantage to have the same guidelines for all priests as it guarantees that all priests are formed (at least in their schooling) as parish priests.
 
malphono said:
Just as, e.g., one doesn’t have to be a “Vietnamese scholar” to say the OF in that language, one doesn’t have to be a “Latin scholar” to offer the EF.
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This is my understanding too. All that is required is to pronounce the words (not hard as there are very few silent letters in Latin, even easier when sung) and to understand the gist of the prayers. Not necessary to know the precise meaning and grammatical breakdown of each Latin word recited. Shouldn’t be that self-conscious about it either as some of the prayers are to be said in a low-tone.
 
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