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Why are so many intellectuals agnostic or atheists? Does that mean that God doesn’t really exist, or His word isn’t true, or does it mean that they are intellectualizing something that is a different from what they focus on meaning academia rather than the spiritual?
 
From personal experience, it’s usually because the intellectual is the one often shunned by religious authority. We’re the ones playing skeptic. We’re the ones who just simply disagree with the conclusions posed by any one body of faith.

Then again, I’m not sure I’d really call myself an intellectual. How would you define one? Even the most brilliant would often question the qualifications of being so. I for one am hardly a Renaissance man. I’d sooner characterize myself as a modern day pastiche of one. Then again, I simply don’t see that judgment as being relevant to my happiness or well-being. And often times, I see people who bear the title of intellectual actually think the same way. They don’t necessarily see themselves as ‘brilliant’ just a little bit more brilliant than the religious types who are just so quick to hang one every word out of a Pope, bishop, or priest. (Strangely, double points are given if said religious claims exorcism experience. 🤷)
 
Why are so many intellectuals agnostic or atheists? Does that mean that God doesn’t really exist, or His word isn’t true, or does it mean that they are intellectualizing something that is a different from what they focus on meaning academia rather than the spiritual?
I guess because, by nature, intellectuals, or pseudo-intellectuals, are inquisitive, skeptical, and forever searching rather than finding. They are also perhaps a bit too rational and not enough emotional. The word itself has become pejorative in connotation, equivalent to intolerant, arrogant and snobbish, and, to make matters worse, has often been associated with Jewish thinkers, as have the terms liberal, progressive, socialist, communist, and atheist.
 
Why are so many intellectuals agnostic or atheists? Does that mean that God doesn’t really exist, or His word isn’t true, or does it mean that they are intellectualizing something that is a different from what they focus on meaning academia rather than the spiritual?
I think some people have a skeptical, rational impulse ingrained in them. For roughly as long as there have been believers, there have been disbelievers. Believers have a different threshold for belief (isn’t that why we call it faith?) than agnostics or atheists, a different set of expectations–a wider range of vision–than (for example) an academic culture that makes a conscious effort to restrict itself to what is empirical. Not all of the academy his hostile to religion, but a certain modern impulse does prevail.
 
I am an intellectual and I would like to ask why so many intellectuals, like me, are believers.
 
Perhaps those with greater intellectual ability have a greater temptation to pride, and to rely on their own judgment; or maybe it is just that they make a louder noise when they fall.

Lucifer had infused knowledge of God, and an angelic intellect far superior to that of any human genius; yet he chose himself over God. To me this is more surprising than a man who does not believe. Pride can blind even the brightest intellect.
 
Lucifer had infused knowledge of God, and an angelic intellect far superior to that of any human genius; yet he chose himself over God. To me this is more surprising than a man who does not believe. Pride can blind even the brightest intellect.
Maybe Lucifer isn’t as bright as you think he is and human genius deserves a bit more credit. (You know, as opposed to rallying the local peasants and accusing it of practicing witchcraft, heresy etc.)
 
Perhaps those with greater intellectual ability have a greater temptation to pride, and to rely on their own judgment; or maybe it is just that they make a louder noise when they fall.

Lucifer had infused knowledge of God, and an angelic intellect far superior to that of any human genius; yet he chose himself over God. To me this is more surprising than a man who does not believe. Pride can blind even the brightest intellect.
I am an intellectual and I would like to ask why so many intellectuals, like me, are believers.
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I am an intellectual and I would like to ask why so many intellectuals, like me, are believers.
This response demonstrates a central problem to this thread: “Intellectual” has not been defined. After it has been defined, we may begin towards the answer to the OP’s question.
 
Painting with a very fat brush…a pure intellectual has a general tendency towards pride, it seems to me. And pride, in turn, seems to encourage the idea that the person’s own being is sufficient to all that is necessary.

God is close to the humble, not the proud. Pride obscures finding the fullness of truth, which is God.

It is a bit paradoxical, isn’t it.
 
Why are so many intellectuals agnostic or atheists? Does that mean that God doesn’t really exist, or His word isn’t true, or does it mean that they are intellectualizing something that is a different from what they focus on meaning academia rather than the spiritual?
I don’t think there is a link between being intellectual in and of itself and disbelief. Numbers who believe or disbelieve are in constant flux, and at the moment we’re at a low, but this has not been the general rule.

Now, at this particular time, I think many intellectuals disregard faith because many have never seen it as anything more than a warm and fuzzy belief in something you can’t see. I very nearly fell into that trap myself - I had never had the rational side of the faith presented to me, and so basically lost interest, and only gained it back when I more or less accidentally stumbled upon actual explanations of things when I was examining the whole nihilism/relativism thing. My CCD classes never went beyond “Jesus loves you, be happy,” and while I do not in any way want to imply that that statement, properly understood, is anything less than mind boggling awesome, for the longest time I brushed all such statements off as meaningless touchy feely nonsense simply because I had never run across a presentation of it that convinced me it was anything deeper (and not being an overly emotional person, while I recognized that lots of people were moved by this, I didn’t understand and so just didn’t care.)

So there’s my answer, or at least my explanation for what is as close to the premise as I think is true: at this time, many people of the more rational frame of mind find themselves ignoring faith because the aspects of it that they would have to see to find it reasonable are not widely talked about.
 
I am an intellectual and I would like to ask why so many intellectuals, like me, are believers.
Balance? I’ve noticed the intellectuals I am acquainted with seem to get to a point in their lives where they realize they need to nourish their souls the way they have been nourishing their minds.
 
I don’t think there is a link between being intellectual in and of itself and disbelief. Numbers who believe or disbelieve are in constant flux, and at the moment we’re at a low, but this has not been the general rule.
In my experience it seems to depend at least somewhat on how the intellectual was raised. I’ve noticed the people I am acquainted with who were raised by people of faith tend to spend some time Agnostic or Atheist and then revert to their childhood faith or a similar faith later in life. Interestingly, I see this most frequently in those who are new parents and/or are in their 30’s-40’s. Those I know who weren’t raised in any faith tradition tend to investigate faith, but never fully embrace it.
 
Why are so many intellectuals agnostic or atheists? Does that mean that God doesn’t really exist, or His word isn’t true, or does it mean that they are intellectualizing something that is a different from what they focus on meaning academia rather than the spiritual?
I would reject the premise. Historically, far more (and far greater) “intellectuals” have been theists and atheists or agnostics. The problem here lies in our modern tendency to equate “intellectual” with the sciences. Empirical science demands methodical doubt (the opposite, in some ways, of Faith) and cannot address the reality (or unreality) of the supernatural, as it is intrinsically confined to the study of nature. Hubris leads many scientists into scientism, the self-referentially incoherent philosophy that all knowledge or all certain knowledge can only be attained through empirical science. Scientism goes hand in hand with naturalism and materialism, which, in turn, lead to atheism (or agnosticism). Thus, those “intellectuals” that follow this path will end up atheists not because it is the “smart” thing, but because their a priori assumptions demand it.

Lastly, even if all “intellectuals” were really atheists that would no more prove atheism than all “intellectuals” once believing the Earth remained still was evidence that such was true.
 
I would reject the premise. Historically, far more (and far greater) “intellectuals” have been theists and atheists or agnostics. The problem here lies in our modern tendency to equate “intellectual” with the sciences. Empirical science demands methodical doubt (the opposite, in some ways, of Faith) and cannot address the reality (or unreality) of the supernatural, as it is intrinsically confined to the study of nature. Hubris leads many scientists into scientism, the self-referentially incoherent philosophy that all knowledge or all certain knowledge can only be attained through empirical science. Scientism goes hand in hand with naturalism and materialism, which, in turn, lead to atheism (or agnosticism). Thus, those “intellectuals” that follow this path will end up atheists not because it is the “smart” thing, but because their a priori assumptions demand it.

Lastly, even if all “intellectuals” were really atheists that would no more prove atheism than all “intellectuals” once believing the Earth remained still was evidence that such was true.
Good points. 👍

I would also reject the premise that “intellectuals” must necessarily have greater knowledge of truth than “non-intellectuals” (and I say this as one who would consider myself a member of the former group more so than the latter). I’ve known people with advanced degrees who nonetheless have some pretty dopey ideas. There are different kinds of intelligence. “Intellectuals” don’t have all the answers.
 
To be a Catholic, you must trust a person, who via apostolic succession leads you back to trusting Jesus, in his revelation.

It is very difficult for an intellectual to believe something that has not been rationally explained or demonstrated, simply on the word of another person who says it is true, even if that person received the information from a long line of succession back to Jesus.

Somehow the intellectual has to come to want unity with the Person, letting understanding happen later (which it does, and can be seen from the multitudes of intellectuals who have served as our Popes and Bishops throughout these 2000 years).

John Martin
 
Why are so many intellectuals agnostic or atheists? Does that mean that God doesn’t really exist, or His word isn’t true, or does it mean that they are intellectualizing something that is a different from what they focus on meaning academia rather than the spiritual?
There’s a lot of one-dimensional thinking that goes along with some of that.

Regardless of religious belief, there’s a lot of people out there (some have advanced degrees, others have a bunch of kids) who seem to think they have it all figured out and cannot handle having their ideas questioned. :rolleyes:

Otherwise, the idea that someone who is non-religious means they are smart is bogus on so many levels, I’m not even sure where to start.

Let me ask you this: If secular-based societies and individuals have it all figured out, then why do they depend so much on labor and migration from societies that are 95%+ religious?
 
This response demonstrates a central problem to this thread: “Intellectual” has not been defined. After it has been defined, we may begin towards the answer to the OP’s question.
I mean those people who travel in academic circles. College professors and students who are way above high in intelligence whose interests lie primarily in academia.
 
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