Intelligent Debate for 2/4/2010. do you agree or disagree?

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Do you agree or disagree with the following:

"I have the right to do to my body whatever I wish and take whatever risks I want as long as it only effects me…and the government shouldn’t interfere.

If I don’t want to wear a seat belt I shouldn’t be fined.

If I don’t want to wear a motorcycle helmet I shouldn’t be fined…

I should be able to consume whatever food I want, if I want eat foods loaded in trans-fats with high sodium so be it, the government shouldn’t tell me what I should or shouldn’t eat and attempt to restrict my diet by banning certain products.

And I should be able to smoke where ever it’s deemed legal and whenever I want…I know it’s not healthy but it’s my life…my choice. If I own a restaurant or bar and wish to have smoking the government shouldn’t be able to tell me no.

And if I believe it’s my time to go…I should have that right to. If I want the doctor or family member to assist me in suicide…that is my choice. "

Do you agree or disagree? Why or why not?
All opinions welcome.
 
Disagree.

No one has the right to choose wrong even unto oneself. No one has the right to want wrong and inflict it on others.

We do however have free will.

Use Free Will to choose Truth and Right.

Misuse Free Will to choose Lies and Wrongs. If misuse is chosen those “wants” will vanish and become something that is unwanted but still chosen.

In the end, one doesn’t get what one wants one gets what one chooses.
 
There is NOTHING that a person can do that does not effect other people. So this is not a black or white issue. One cannot say, “if it doesn’t effect anyone I should have the right”, but nor can they say, “if it does effect others, then I should not have the right”.

Rights cannot be established based on ***whether ***they effect others, but on specifically ***how ***they effect others.

As long as you try to use the “it doesn’t effect” concept, others will show (through deception) that is DOES effect others in some strong way and eventually, totally enslave you as there will be absolutely nothing you can do that hasn’t been shown to effect others and thus you “must be prevented” from doing it, or “required to do it” - enslavement.
 
From a legal standpoint, you also can’t surrender certain rights. For instance, I can’t surrender my right to free speech, or my right to freedom of religion, why would life be different?
 
All point except euthanazia: These laws are more for the protection of others IMO, if you are riding a bike and get into an accident without a helmet the medical costs are huge. Who pays for those costs? Same with the rest.

For euthanazia, this is a fine line really. But you are putting undo duress against others.
 
Boddhissatva said:
"I have the right to do to my body whatever I wish and take whatever risks I want as long as it only effects me…and the government shouldn’t interfere.
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Agreed. I assume you aren’t getting at abortion since that would involve two people (mother & fetus)
Boddhissatva said:
If I don’t want to wear a seat belt I shouldn’t be fined.

If I don’t want to wear a motorcycle helmet I shouldn’t be fined…
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Agreed. I feel insurance companies should be allowed to pay out less if you sustain injuries due to you not wearing a seat belt or helmet.
Boddhissatva said:
I should be able to consume whatever food I want, if I want eat foods loaded in trans-fats with high sodium so be it, the government shouldn’t tell me what I should or shouldn’t eat and attempt to restrict my diet by banning certain products.
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Agreed.
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And I should be able to smoke where ever it’s deemed legal and whenever I want…I know it’s not healthy but it’s my life…my choice. If I own a restaurant or bar and wish to have smoking the government shouldn’t be able to tell me no.
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Mixed emotions on this. One one hand this is government incursion and limiting freedoms; otoh someone’s smoking affects everyone around them.
Boddhissatva said:
And if I believe it’s my time to go…I should have that right to. If I want the doctor or family member to assist me in suicide…that is my choice. "
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Disagree. At that point you are dragging others into it and it is no longer your own personal choice.
 
Boddhissatva said:
Do you agree or disagree with the following:

"I have the right to do to my body whatever I wish and take whatever risks I want as long as it only effects me…and the government shouldn’t interfere.

If I don’t want to wear a seat belt I shouldn’t be fined.

If I don’t want to wear a motorcycle helmet I shouldn’t be fined…

I should be able to consume whatever food I want, if I want eat foods loaded in trans-fats with high sodium so be it, the government shouldn’t tell me what I should or shouldn’t eat and attempt to restrict my diet by banning certain products.

And I should be able to smoke where ever it’s deemed legal and whenever I want…I know it’s not healthy but it’s my life…my choice. If I own a restaurant or bar and wish to have smoking the government shouldn’t be able to tell me no.

And if I believe it’s my time to go…I should have that right to. If I want the doctor or family member to assist me in suicide…that is my choice. "

Do you agree or disagree? Why or why not?
All opinions welcome.
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I agree wholeheartedly

I disagree

I disagree

I agree

I disagree

I definitely agree.
 
**Nothing we do involves only us, as God created us & is our Father.
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So anything we do, no matter how insignificant, has an impact on us & God & the infinite universe that we are a part of.

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

mark
 
Boddhissatva said:
Do you agree or disagree with the following:

"I have the right to do to my body whatever I wish and take whatever risks I want as long as it only effects me…and the government shouldn’t interfere.

If I don’t want to wear a seat belt I shouldn’t be fined.

If I don’t want to wear a motorcycle helmet I shouldn’t be fined…

I should be able to consume whatever food I want, if I want eat foods loaded in trans-fats with high sodium so be it, the government shouldn’t tell me what I should or shouldn’t eat and attempt to restrict my diet by banning certain products.

And I should be able to smoke where ever it’s deemed legal and whenever I want…I know it’s not healthy but it’s my life…my choice. If I own a restaurant or bar and wish to have smoking the government shouldn’t be able to tell me no.

And if I believe it’s my time to go…I should have that right to. If I want the doctor or family member to assist me in suicide…that is my choice. "

Do you agree or disagree? Why or why not?
All opinions welcome.
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I agree. Even though I wish people would take better care of themselves, taking away people’s right to do unhealthy things is a slippery slope. If people didn’t have the right to do unhealthy things, imagine where this would lead:

I could say you have no right to not exercise everyday and then force you all to do aerobics for thirty minutes a day.

I could say you have no right to consume high fructose corn syrup, and then take away all your favorite foods.

I could say you have no right to stare at the computer posting stuff on CAF because it’s bad for your eyesight and I take away your computer. :eek:
 
No human should be able to force(or use incentives) another person how to live a life, so long as it does not effect someone negatively without consent. It is an issue of morality, a government that determines what is and isn’t moral will never lead society into being moral. It seems to be the opposite. Take the colonial times of America vs present day, much more government today and much less morality.
 
The government in colonial times probably had more moral laws. For instance, I think it was in colonial times or shortly thereafter that some states had a law requiring you to be a Christian to be a governer. The areas where morality has improved has been because of outlawing immoral activity, the most notable example is slavery. Abortion has gotten worse with more law laws.
 
The Body belongs to God not ourselves. One is not to do everything and anything to the body one wills even even if it is perceived that the only one being hurt is oneself. Human life is created by God. To willfully do harm is to willfully attempt do harm to God.

The Catholic Church teaches that addictions, mental illness, torture, and other causes of distress can be mitigating factors regarding sin. But everyone is called to overcome, treat or do the best one can.

Catechism of the Catholic Church:

2280 Everyone is responsible for his life before God who has given it to him. It is God who remains the sovereign Master of life. We are obliged to accept life gratefully and preserve it for his honor and the salvation of our souls. We are stewards, not owners, of the life God has entrusted to us. It is not ours to dispose of.
 
These are all excellent answers. I was thinking that actually the only " right" we are given is the use of our will to either choose good or evil. This is something that not even God interferes with.
 
Well from a purely Christian standpoint, it’s not really you’re body now is it? I always think of the parable of the master who left his vineyard to the tenants (yes I know it’s about the Jewish nation). It was theirs to care for and they had the freedom to choose not to do so, but choosing not to do so didn’t work out well for them.
 
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