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There is hope yet for those substituting prejudices for reason.

Former Atheist Anthony Flew uses reason to become a deist
The following is an exclusive interview that published in the Winter 2005 issue of Philosophia Christi the journal of the Evangelical Philosophical Society (biola.edu/philchristi). Philosophia Christi is one of the top circulating philosophy of religion journals in the world.

HABERMAS: So of the major theistic arguments, such as the cosmological, teleological, moral, and ontological, the only really impressive ones that you take to be decisive are the scientific forms of teleology?

FLEW: Absolutely. It seems to me that Richard Dawkins constantly overlooks the fact that Darwin himself, in the fourteenth chapter of The Origin of Species, pointed out that his whole argument began with a being which already possessed reproductive powers. This is the creature the evolution of which a truly comprehensive theory of evolution must give some account.
Darwin himself was well aware that he had not produced such an account. It now seems to me that the findings of more than fifty years of DNA research have provided materials for a new and enormously powerful argument to design. [My underlining].
[Former atheist Anthony Flew is now a deist].

Design means a designer which means intelligence, and the knowledgeable Catholic knows from reason that the designer is God; that Jesus Christ is God through His witnessed Resurrection. Christ’s Church then gives the answers of truth and reality.
 
It is true the new atheists arguments are intellectually void. At least the old atheists had some points, even though they have been refuted.
 
That is sad about Anthony Flew. I guess he winged it and will find he hits the glass.
 
buffalo said:
It is true the new atheists arguments are intellectually void. At least the old atheists had some points, even though they have been refuted.
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Let’s face it, there is no evidence for God’s existence. None at all. Zero. Zip. That’s the only atheist argument that really matters, and it is irrefutable.
 
wanstronian said:
Let’s face it, there is no evidence for God’s existence. None at all. Zero. Zip. That’s the only atheist argument that really matters, and it is irrefutable.
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One may as well say there is no evidence for your existence. How would you prove to us that you exist?
 
As there are so many people who do want to use their reason, and would like to know how to understand reality better, the interested can help them by offering them the proofs for the existence of God. From there the next step is to historically show the reality of the only person who claimed to be God – Jesus of Nazareth – and proved it, not only by His miracles, but by His resurrection. The Apostles who, after being given His authority to teach, sanctify and rule, gladly died cruel deaths because of this belief, along with countless others, passed on to us His Church to which we have the honour to belong.

The blindness over the false dogma of evolutionism is related to the reality of William James who noted that many who think they are thinking are merely rearranging their prejudices. A good place to start getting rid of prejudices is getting to know that God exists from pure reason, apart from knowing the reality of the Resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth.

A good background is at: catholic-catechism.com/level_7.htm
You may use: sfbayc.org/magazine/html/sfbay_catholic__pope_jp2_on_go.htm
or ww.newadvent.org/cathen/06608b.htm

I recommend also Apologetics And Catholic Doctrine, Sheehan/Joseph, The Saint Augustine Press 2001, (p 25-61) where you will find also the refutations to the objections raised by Immanuel Kant.
 
Sorry Abu, I Kant believe that. Even Jesus, if He ever walked as an actual person, said ‘Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak I speak not of Myself: but the Father abiding in Me doeth the work.’-John 14:10.
 
wanstronian said:
Let’s face it, there is no evidence for God’s existence. None at all. Zero. Zip. That’s the only atheist argument that really matters, and it is irrefutable.
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God does not reduce Himself to being examined on the lab table empirically as you well know. Would you expect Him to?

However there is clear and converging evidence of His existence pointed out all the time on these threads. You just do not accept it.
 
Lets face it creationists can produce as much propaganda as they want, but this nonsense will never be taught in any real university, and that is what counts.
 
wanstronian said:
Let’s face it, there is no evidence for God’s existence. None at all. Zero. Zip. That’s the only atheist argument that really matters, and it is irrefutable.
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“An American deacon has recounted how he was suddenly and inexplicably cured from a severe spinal condition after he prayed for healing to Cardinal John Henry Newman.”

“He said he prayed: ‘Please, Cardinal Newman help me to walk, so that I can return to my classes and be ordained.’”

"The deacon explained how ‘suddenly I felt hot all over, very tense and a tingling over my body that lasted a long time.’

"’ I also felt a sense of joy and peace that I had never experienced before in my life and a sense of God’s presence and I had no willpower of my own,’ he said. ‘I was just standing there and all these things were happening to me. I had no control and then I developed a sense of confidence and determination that I could finally walk.’

“‘The pain had left me and I was left with a feeling of entire joy and confidence that something special was happening to me,’” he said.

He spoke to journalists at the start of a visit to England at the invitation of Archbishop Vincent Nichols of Westminster.

“In July, Pope Benedict XVI announced the beatification of Cardinal Newman after the Congregation for Saints’ Causes decided Deacon Sullivan’s healing was a miracle due to his intercession.”

From the November 13, 2009 issue of The Michigan Catholic.

Peace,
Ed
 
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I Kant believe that. Even Jesus, if He ever walked as an actual person
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With the plethora of historical secular sources acknowledging the fact of the person, Jesus of Nazareth, this must be the ultimate in self-deception. Whatever the problem, it is advisable to seek help immediately to destroy the cancer of self-denial in a fact of which .there has been no reasonable attempt to deny.

When normality is achieved, the facts for the divinity of Jesus can be investigated – just take it one step at a time.
 
Abu~With the plethora of historical secular sources acknowledging the fact of the person, Jesus of Nazareth… Uhhh… have you seen any??? I haven’t seen any.
 
Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you shall find, knock and it will be opened to you. (Mt 7:7).
Do your homework.
External Evidence: Secular“Nothing more is necessary in view of the overpowering evidence that Jesus of Nazareth was no myth, but a totally historical figure who truly lived. Skeptics should focus instead on whether or not Jesus was more than a man.”

4truth.net/site/c.hiKXLbPNLrF/b.2902063/k.67B8/Did_Jesus_Really_Exist.htm

In today’s world of humpty dumpty reality is wished away and that’s the swamp in which many dwell.
 
I’ve kind of looked into it, Abu. I just sent someone a list of about half my bibliography on the subject read opver about the last twenty five years or longer, and they weren’t happy about it. The person claimed it didn’t matter what I had read, it was all false, (though many of my references were nihil obstat, etc ) and that … oh well, it was a tired argument, Abu, and I don’t want to go there again. Suffice it to say that perhaps it would serve you to look at other than pious interpretaions of history, and do let me know the “secular” sources you have found for the existence of Jesus of Nazareth. Thanks ahead of time.
 
tonyrey said:
One may as well say there is no evidence for your existence. How would you prove to us that you exist?
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Well, firstly I’m typing this. That’s evidence that someone exists for a start.

Or, I could buy a webcam and set up some sort of videoconference.

Or, I could jump on a plane, visit you and show you my passport.

Or many other things. If challenged to perform some specific action that you would take as evidence for my existence, then I could (and maybe even would) do it. This cannot, of course, be said for God.

Your question seems a bit ill-conceived, if you don’t mind me saying so.
 
buffalo said:
God does not reduce Himself to being examined on the lab table empirically as you well know.
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Well, that’s jolly convenient for him! And what do you mean by, “…as you well know?” I don’t know anything of the sort. How can I have an opinion about the whims of a non-existent entity? That’s like asking why unicorns are so moody! And what makes you such an expert on his nature, just because you happen to believe in him?
Would you expect Him to?
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Why would he not prove his existence? What’s he got to lose? He could shut all the atheists up for once and for all.
However there is clear and converging evidence of His existence pointed out all the time on these threads. You just do not accept it.
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I do not accept it because it does not meet the basic requirement for ‘beyond reasonable doubt.’ This ‘evidence’ is only conclusive to those who already believe. I have never seen a jot of proper evidence on this forum, all I’ve seen is conjecture, personal incredulity, wild assertion and weak ontological waffle.

Show me some real evidence and I’ll accept it. That’s what a rational person does, and I am a rational person.
 
edwest2 said:
“An American deacon has recounted how he was suddenly and inexplicably cured from a severe spinal condition after he prayed for healing to Cardinal John Henry Newman.”

“He said he prayed: ‘Please, Cardinal Newman help me to walk, so that I can return to my classes and be ordained.’”

"The deacon explained how ‘suddenly I felt hot all over, very tense and a tingling over my body that lasted a long time.’

"’ I also felt a sense of joy and peace that I had never experienced before in my life and a sense of God’s presence and I had no willpower of my own,’ he said. ‘I was just standing there and all these things were happening to me. I had no control and then I developed a sense of confidence and determination that I could finally walk.’

“‘The pain had left me and I was left with a feeling of entire joy and confidence that something special was happening to me,’” he said.

He spoke to journalists at the start of a visit to England at the invitation of Archbishop Vincent Nichols of Westminster.

“In July, Pope Benedict XVI announced the beatification of Cardinal Newman after the Congregation for Saints’ Causes decided Deacon Sullivan’s healing was a miracle due to his intercession.”

From the November 13, 2009 issue of The Michigan Catholic.

Peace,
Ed
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Indeed - a theist will see this as evidence. That’s kind of my point. It’s not actually evidence. What about all the poor buggers who pray and don’t get better? I’d wager there’s an awful lot more of them than there are those who coincidentally get better after praying.

What’s the medical evidence for Sullivan’s condition? Is there any evidence for spontaneous cures from the condition for atheists? You can’t point to a single poorly-documented event and claim it as evidence for God’s existence. This is the epitome of superstitious nonsense.
 
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