Intelligent life in outer space?

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Either we’re all alone OR there are millions or billions of intelligent civilizations. I’m not sure of which but either way it’s God’s creation. I don’t rule out anything with 200+ billion galaxies, each containing 200+ billion stars and God our creator. I can’t comprehend those numbers and if they are out there, they are likely very far away, beyond our ability to see and hear them. For now.

If they ARE out there, is the Universe more Catholic or Protestant? :rolleyes:
 
Porknpie said:
Either we’re all alone OR there are millions or billions of intelligent civilizations. I’m not sure of which but either way it’s God’s creation. I don’t rule out anything with 200+ billion galaxies, each containing 200+ billion stars and God our creator. I can’t comprehend those numbers and if they are out there, they are likely very far away, beyond our ability to see and hear them. For now.

If they ARE out there, is the Universe more Catholic or Protestant? :rolleyes:
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Since Catholic means universal it’s Catholic of course.🙂
 
Porknpie said:
Either we’re all alone OR there are millions or billions of intelligent civilizations. I’m not sure of which but either way it’s God’s creation. I don’t rule out anything with 200+ billion galaxies, each containing 200+ billion stars and God our creator. I can’t comprehend those numbers and if they are out there, they are likely very far away, beyond our ability to see and hear them. For now.

If they ARE out there, is the Universe more Catholic or Protestant? :rolleyes:
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Do not forget that of those ~10[sup]11[/sup] stars per galaxy, only a small percentage of those (a) contain a planet, (b) contain a planet in the habitable zone, and (c) are red giants in the appropriate evolutionary stage to support life as we know it. And an even smaller percentage of those planets in the habitable zone have water for life to flourish. And an even smaller percentage of those planets with water in the habitable zone will have life. And an even smaller percent of those planets with life will have intelligent life (supposing, of course, that life evolves and is not designed–a debate we shall not have here). All this leads to, of course, is the famous Drake Equation.

It is an interesting theory, but I disagree with most of the results given by it because I do not believe it accurately reflects all of the factors involved in Life.
 
Gaber said:
Those bieng?
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God.

I also reject it on the grounds that it necessarily demands that if an intelligent life evolved it must send signals out for us (or someone) to receive. I do not believe that this is the case. Drake’s equation seems to ignore the psychological/sociological aspect of civilization.
 
Alberti_Devoveo said:
God.

I also reject it on the grounds that it necessarily demands that if an intelligent life evolved it must send signals out for us (or someone) to receive. I do not believe that this is the case. Drake’s equation seems to ignore the psychological/sociological aspect of civilization.
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I’m not really expecting somebody to landing their ‘starship’ on the frount lawn of the White House, in Red Square, in Saint Peter’s Square, or in the frount of the U.N. Headqueters in New York, because if a race has a ‘star drive’, we would have very little, if anything, to offer them. I will adm itt that I’m a bit of a dreamer, I would not mind if an alain did land on Earth and tried to take over the Earth. :eek::bounce::christmastree1:
 
Alberti_Devoveo said:
Do not forget that of those ~10[sup]11[/sup] stars per galaxy, only a small percentage of those (a) contain a planet, (b) contain a planet in the habitable zone, and (c) are red giants in the appropriate evolutionary stage to support life as we know it. And an even smaller percentage of those planets in the habitable zone have water for life to flourish. And an even smaller percentage of those planets with water in the habitable zone will have life. And an even smaller percent of those planets with life will have intelligent life (supposing, of course, that life evolves and is not designed–a debate we shall not have here). All this leads to, of course, is the famous Drake Equation.

It is an interesting theory, but I disagree with most of the results given by it because I do not believe it accurately reflects all of the factors involved in Life.
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I don’t literally mean “billions” - could be true - but rather the universe does not hold any intelligent life OR there is an abundance of life. Understand the drake equation too. Intelligent does not mean that they can communicate let alone travel across the vastness of the universe let alone the great distance between the galaxies. Bubble theories aside. God’s creation is beyond our understand at this time but I don’t rule out anything. Try to understand the concept of a singularity in a black hole. Many mysteries.
 
tabycat said:
I’m not really expecting somebody to landing their ‘starship’ on the frount lawn of the White House, in Red Square, in Saint Peter’s Square, or in the frount of the U.N. Headqueters in New York, because if a race has a ‘star drive’, we would have very little, if anything, to offer them. I will adm itt that I’m a bit of a dreamer, I would not mind if an alain did land on Earth and tried to take over the Earth. :eek::bounce::christmastree1:
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Technologically, we likely would not have anything to offer them. However, that is not the end-all, be-all of discussions with alien species; we have plenty to offer: Eucharist, Penance, etc.
Porknpie said:
I don’t literally mean “billions” - could be true - but rather the universe does not hold any intelligent life OR there is an abundance of life. Understand the drake equation too. Intelligent does not mean that they can communicate let alone travel across the vastness of the universe let alone the great distance between the galaxies. Bubble theories aside. God’s creation is beyond our understand at this time but I don’t rule out anything. Try to understand the concept of a singularity in a black hole. Many mysteries.
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I do literally mean billions. It is estimated that there are about 10[sup]11[/sup] galaxies and about 10[sup]11[/sup] stars per galaxy. In terms of the Drake equation, only intelligent species can transmit data that we can detect, so it really only makes sense to discuss that type of intelligent species.

Also, singularity is quite a misunderstood adjective in science. In terms of the black hole, the singularity means that the mathematical formula (Einstein’s field equations) that give the density of the object gives an answer of infinity (meaning Einstein’s field equations do not work there). This is clearly absurd since we know (a) the radius from the Schwarzchild metric and (b) the mass of the precursor star. Rudimentary density = mass / volume gives a value of about 10[sup]11[/sup] g/cm[sup]3[/sup] for a stellar-mass black hole.
 
Alberti_Devoveo said:
Technologically, we likely would not have anything to offer them. However, that is not the end-all, be-all of discussions with alien species; we have plenty to offer: Eucharist, Penance, etc.
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We might also make great pets for them!
 
ThinkingSapien said:
We might also make great pets for them!
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Yes, and our multiplex of relligions both a connundrum and a curiosity indicating our rightful place beneath them, due to not being able to get past our opinions to what is before religion.
 
Alberti_Devoveo said:
Do not forget that of those ~10[sup]11[/sup] stars per galaxy, only a small percentage of those (a) contain a planet, (b) contain a planet in the habitable zone, and (c) are red giants in the appropriate evolutionary stage to support life as we know it. And an even smaller percentage of those planets in the habitable zone have water for life to flourish. And an even smaller percentage of those planets with water in the habitable zone will have life. And an even smaller percent of those planets with life will have intelligent life (supposing, of course, that life evolves and is not designed–a debate we shall not have here). All this leads to, of course, is the famous Drake Equation.

It is an interesting theory, but I disagree with most of the results given by it because I do not believe it accurately reflects all of the factors involved in Life.
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Add to all of this: a very small percentage of Galaxies are free of collisions with other Galaxies, and a small percentage of stars are in the habitable zone of the Galaxy itself (too far away from center and there are likely no metals in the solar system, too close to the center and radiatoin levels would be deadly, in the middle of an arm and solar systems tend to collide with each other).
 
Most people who think there is other intelligent life out there base their belief on one factor: the vastness of the universe. This has never seemed to be a convincing argument to me. One can either site numbers on the huge number of galaxies and huge numbers; but at the end of the day we have absolutely zero evidence of other intelligent life.
 
tafan said:
Most people who think there is other intelligent life out there base their belief on one factor: the vastness of the universe. This has never seemed to be a convincing argument to me. One can either site numbers on the huge number of galaxies and huge numbers; but at the end of the day we have absolutely zero evidence of other intelligent life.
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And what are you?
 
tafan said:
Most people who think there is other intelligent life out there base their belief on one factor: the vastness of the universe. This has never seemed to be a convincing argument to me. One can either site numbers on the huge number of galaxies and huge numbers; but at the end of the day we have absolutely zero evidence of other intelligent life.
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I wouldnt say absolutely zero evidence. I could make an argument on ufos…at least a selected few of them that are very hard to explain. Take the case of the UFO that landed at the British airbase and was witness firsthand, close up, by the base colonel and an associate who has now spoken about it in the last few years. There is also the UFO sighting in southern Illinois near st Louis that was witness by multiple police officers from different cities. Huge object in the sky. These two cases alone, and there are more that are extremely hard to explain with reliable witnesses. May not be from outer space but we can’t explain them which leaves the “possibility” that we are not alone. :hmmm:
 
Porknpie said:
I wouldnt say absolutely zero evidence. I could make an argument on ufos…
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Given that the “U” in “UFO” is from “unidentified” I’m not sure that is evidence for other life.
 
tafan said:
Add to all of this: a very small percentage of Galaxies are free of collisions with other Galaxies, and a small percentage of stars are in the habitable zone of the Galaxy itself (too far away from center and there are likely no metals in the solar system, too close to the center and radiatoin levels would be deadly, in the middle of an arm and solar systems tend to collide with each other).
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Correct, another factor that the Drake equation misses out on.
 
Alberti_Devoveo said:
Correct, another factor that the Drake equation misses out on.
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Another factor the Drake equatoion misses is that Life IS. It has produced the Universe in which to express itself. If living things on Earth are an idication, Life will take every possible opportuity to adapt itself to any condition possible of habitation. And how do you and I know what those possible habitations might be, even here, not to mention elsewhare???
 
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