Interacting with a pro-choice individual on their terms

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“Risk” is the wrong term, because it implied an unexpected outcome. If I drive my car down the road, a car accident is a risk, but not an expected outcome. A car isn’t (legally) driven to cause an accident.

OTOH, pregnancy is always an expected outcome of sex,.
The fact is, no, pregnancy is NOT an expected outcome of having sex. Period. That’s specifically why people take birth control: because they specifically do not expect or want to get pregnant. Their lack of consent is clear by them taking birth control. To deny it is just being dishonest and frankly sounds silly. Of course they don’t consent to being pregnant if they’re on birth control :rolleyes:
 
The fact is, no, pregnancy is NOT an expected outcome of having sex. Period. That’s specifically why people take birth control: because they specifically do not expect or want to get pregnant. Their lack of consent is clear by them taking birth control. To deny it is just being dishonest and frankly sounds silly. Of course they don’t consent to being pregnant if they’re on birth control :rolleyes:
Um… people take birth control BECAUSE pregnancy is an expected outcome of sex. If you didn’t expect pregnancy to be an outcome, you wouldn’t take it.

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Um… people take birth control BECAUSE pregnancy is an expected outcome of sex. If you didn’t expect pregnancy to be an outcome, you wouldn’t take it.

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Um, no, people take birth control to NOT get pregnant, which is hardly an indication they consented to anything else but not get pregnant. People don’t get pregnant each and every time they have sex, so it’s not always and expected outcome. It’s even less expected when you actually take it and take it correctly. 😉
 
When it comes to bodily autonomy, one could opt for the reverse-violinist argument. I like to add my own twist and personalize it. It goes something like this. It is aimed at a person (I am saying “you”), but at nobody in particular, if that makes sense:
Say I infect your significant other (wife, husband, parent, child) with a crippling disease that makes it so that the only way they can live is by having me hooked up to them and using my kidneys to filter their blood for 23 weeks (we’ll go with this since it is closer to viability). We are sitting in the hospital hooked up to each other. Even though I am responsible, I don’t particularly feel like staying hooked up to this person for 5-6 months. Even though I might be charged with assault and murder, I am willing to allow it to be free of this months-long burden. Would you defend my right (or at least cede that I have the right) to unhook from your significant other, even though I put them there in the first place? If so, congratulations on your consistency. Just don’t tell your hypothetical significant other. If you do not think I have the right to unhook, then bodily autonomy is not total. It also opens up to the problem of the fact that parents having sex put that child in the situation in the first place.

Now, one might object that putting a healthy person in a state of need and bringing a person (or human) into existence who is already dependent are not the same. Perhaps not, but think of it this way. Say I have a baby machine that turns on when I press a button. The children come out dependent upon me, but since I was merely bringing them into existence instead of putting and already existing person in a situation of dependence, I have no obligation to them. Therefore, I leave them to die or kill them as I see fit. Is this morally allowable? If not, then I would say the objection, while true, is ultimately irrelevant.
 
Um, no, people take birth control to NOT get pregnant, which is hardly an indication they consented to anything else but not get pregnant. People don’t get pregnant each and every time they have sex, so it’s not always and expected outcome. It’s even less expected when you actually take it and take it correctly. 😉
But it is still expected. It’s a normal outcome, even if it doesn’t happen every time. And, as such, there is consent when it occurs.
 
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