Intercommunion at Taizé?

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Hi, I would just like to get a clear answer to the following: Is it really true that there is a special arrangement in Taizé that even protestants may communicate in Catholic Masses and that this practise would have Vatican approval? :confused:
 
I don’t know. But there was that story in the papers after he died about how Brother Roger may have accidentally received communion once at a papal Mass. But then the newspaper accounts also said Brother Roger himself wasn’t a believer in intercommunion. Puzzling, huh?
 
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I don’t know. But there was that story in the papers after he died about how Brother Roger may have accidentally received communion once at a papal Mass. But then the newspaper accounts also said Brother Roger himself wasn’t a believer in intercommunion. Puzzling, huh?
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I don’t know about intercommunion at Taize – although the new superior is a Catholic – but I DO know that Brother Roger received communion – at Pope John Paul’s funeral – at the hands of the then Cardinal Ratzinger.

I suspect that he has had a special dispensation for years.

Blessings,
 
David Zampino:
I don’t know about intercommunion at Taize – although the new superior is a Catholic – but I DO know that Brother Roger received communion – at Pope John Paul’s funeral – at the hands of the then Cardinal Ratzinger.

I suspect that he has had a special dispensation for years.

Blessings,
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Brother Roger was not allowed Communion at that Mass or at any other. Cardinal Ratzinger couldn’t do anything about it because he didn’t want to make a scene at the funeral. If it had been just a normal Mass, then he would have refused Communion.
 
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Ace86:
Brother Roger was not allowed Communion at that Mass or at any other. Cardinal Ratzinger couldn’t do anything about it because he didn’t want to make a scene at the funeral. If it had been just a normal Mass, then he would have refused Communion.
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I respect that this is your opinion.

However, I suspect that there were “behind the scenes” issues of which we are not aware.

What I DO dispute is the suggestion that Cardinal Ratzinger’s actions were “just because he didn’t want to make a scene”. That does not square with his integrity, both as Cardinal in charge of the CDF and now as the Holy Father.

Brother Roger didn’t “sneak in”. He was seated in a prominent place – and treated accordingly. I think that the ONLY reasonable explanation is that the Vatican knows more than we do on this issue. I suspect that Brother Roger’s untimely death will prevent the answer to many questions.

Blessings,
 
David Zampino:
I respect that this is your opinion.

However, I suspect that there were “behind the scenes” issues of which we are not aware.

What I DO dispute is the suggestion that Cardinal Ratzinger’s actions were “just because he didn’t want to make a scene”. That does not square with his integrity, both as Cardinal in charge of the CDF and now as the Holy Father.

Brother Roger didn’t “sneak in”. He was seated in a prominent place – and treated accordingly. I think that the ONLY reasonable explanation is that the Vatican knows more than we do on this issue. I suspect that Brother Roger’s untimely death will prevent the answer to many questions.

Blessings,
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But I do believe that the Taize community stated that it was a mistake, that Br Roger got in the line by accident with the Vatican saying just about the samething. So any specualtion on this is the same as calling the Vatican and others liars.

Br Roger did not believe in intercommunion and it is not practiced at Taize. At least that is the official stand of the Community.

Anything else is pure speculation and has no place in this forum.
 
Thanks but you’re not really answering my question:
  1. whether or not the practice in the Taizé Community is to allow even non-Catholics to receive Holy Communion (Catholic), and
  2. whether or not this practice is officially approved by the Vatican
 
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tervapor:
Thanks but you’re not really answering my question:
  1. whether or not the practice in the Taizé Community is to allow even non-Catholics to receive Holy Communion (Catholic), and
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According to the Taize Community, No intercommunion occurs.
  1. whether or not this practice is officially approved by the Vatican
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The Vatican does not approve of intercommunion in any case except for members of the Orthodox Churches who are urged to follow the rules of their own Churches in this manner (which all say no intercommunion).

You might find many different opinions on this but you will not find any official statements to the contrary.
 
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ByzCath:
But I do believe that the Taize community stated that it was a mistake, that Br Roger got in the line by accident with the Vatican saying just about the samething. So any specualtion on this is the same as calling the Vatican and others liars.

Br Roger did not believe in intercommunion and it is not practiced at Taize. At least that is the official stand of the Community.

Anything else is pure speculation and has no place in this forum.
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Ah, this would make sense. I certainly have no intent of calling anyone in the Vatican liars!

Incidentally, how DOES communion work at Taize? When they say “no intercommunion” are they referring to those outside the community, or within the community itself?

Blessings,
 
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ByzCath:
According to the Taize Community, No intercommunion occurs.

The Vatican does not approve of intercommunion in any case except for members of the Orthodox Churches who are urged to follow the rules of their own Churches in this manner (which all say no intercommunion).

You might find many different opinions on this but you will not find any official statements to the contrary.
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Actually, according to Canon Law, the Polish National Catholic Church and the Assyrian Church of the East are also permitted (bt also urged to follow the rules of their own churches.) I suspect that the rules of the Assyrian Church are similar to those of Orthodox Churches, but I don’t know what the policy of the PNCC is.

Blessings,
 
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Ace86:
Brother Roger was not allowed Communion at that Mass or at any other. Cardinal Ratzinger couldn’t do anything about it because he didn’t want to make a scene at the funeral. If it had been just a normal Mass, then he would have refused Communion.
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I am pleased to know that you have had contact with the Holy Father and know what was in his mind at that time.

Just an aside, I’ve seen far too many non-Catholics receive communion over the years from fairly highly placed clergy, to think that it even really matters to a lot of them who receives.
 
David Zampino:
Ah, this would make sense. I certainly have no intent of calling anyone in the Vatican liars!

Incidentally, how DOES communion work at Taize? When they say “no intercommunion” are they referring to those outside the community, or within the community itself?

Blessings,
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This goes for those within the community. I believe that the Community has multiple services so that everyone may recieve within their own Church’s service.
David Zampino:
Actually, according to Canon Law, the Polish National Catholic Church and the Assyrian Church of the East are also permitted (bt also urged to follow the rules of their own churches.) I suspect that the rules of the Assyrian Church are similar to those of Orthodox Churches, but I don’t know what the policy of the PNCC is.

Blessings,
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Thanks for the addition. Actually I sort of lump both of them in with the Orthodox as they are treated the same way by the Catholic Church.
 
Sorry for my ignorance, but what, exactly is Taize? Could someone provide a good link, possibly?

and last - how is it pronounced?

Thanks
Angel
 
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ByzCath:
This goes for those within the community. I believe that the Community has multiple services so that everyone may recieve within their own Church’s service.
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Interesting! Thanks! I did not know that.

Blessings,
 
This goes for those within the community. I believe that the Community has multiple services so that everyone may recieve within their own Church’s service.
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That’s what I thought originally, and the only thing I can found is this:

"Schutz was determined to play the ecumenical game by the rules, meaning the community has always observed the restrictions of the various Christian bodies on intercommunion.

“Each day, the Eucharist is provided to pilgrims, but always in their own traditions, meaning separately. Catholics receive the Eucharist inside the church at the entrance of a small chapel, while Protestants are in another location. On Saturday evening, Catholics can attend a Mass in the village church, while Protestants are free to organize their own services. As the number of Orthodox pilgrims has grown, their liturgies are also celebrated.”

This citation comes from here:
ncronline.org/NCR_Online/archives2/2005d/101405/101405a.php
 
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