Interesting article regarding immigration fixes Obama could do now

[MillTownCath]

nytimes.com/2011/06/04/opinion/04sat1.html?_r=1

Thoughts? How should we as Catholics act towards immigration reform?

 

[rodomonte]

How about supporting the exforcement of existing immigration laws? The only system that is broken is the political system which refuses to do its constitutional duty to enforce the laws to make us a sovereign nation. We have no southern border, therefore, we are not a country anymore. The president has violated his oath of office on this matter, and the pols in the Congress are also traitors. This behavior, or lack thereof, is tantamount to spitting on the graves of those brave soldiers who died hitting the beaches of Normandy in WWII so we wouldn’t end up speaking German. We are going to end up speaking Spanish without a shot being fired.

Please stop with the “we can’t deport them all.” They will self-deport if employer sanction laws are enforced and the cheap jobs dry up.

Remember, patriotism is a virtue.

 

[MillTownCath]

How about supporting the exforcement of existing immigration laws? The only system that is broken is the political system which refuses to do its constitutional duty to enforce the laws to make us a sovereign nation. We have no southern border, therefore, we are not a country anymore. The president has violated his oath of office on this matter, and the pols in the Congress are also traitors. This behavior, or lack thereof, is tantamount to spitting on the graves of those brave soldiers who died hitting the beaches of Normandy in WWII so we wouldn’t end up speaking German. We are going to end up speaking Spanish without a shot being fired.

Please stop with the “we can’t deport them all.” They will self-deport if employer sanction laws are enforced and the cheap jobs dry up.

Remember, patriotism is a virtue.

There is a certain irony in how you compare Mexican immigration to the US defending against the Nazis WWII.

War is not a tool we use to prevent us from having demographic changes in our country. We’re a country full of people with different backgrounds already.

We did not invade Normandy to prevent the US from having German heritage. Much of the people living in the Midwest are descendants of German immigrants.
We invaded it because Hitler was an evil man who was using military action to become more powerful and bring about his insane ideas.

“By defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” - Hitler, Mein Kampf

Hitler loved his country, and he believed his nation had to be cleansed of a certain race of people. Hitler blamed the Jews for the destruction of his community and nation.

I’m of course not accusing you of being Hitler, but your analogy of the US vs the Nazis and the US vs Mexican Immigration is simply wrong.

 

[rodomonte]

There is a certain irony in how you compare Mexican immigration to the US defending against the Nazis WWII.

War is not a tool we use to prevent us from having demographic changes in our country. We’re a country full of people with different backgrounds already.

We did not invade Normandy to prevent the US from having German heritage. Much of the people living in the Midwest are descendants of German immigrants.
We invaded it because Hitler was an evil man who was using military action to become more powerful and bring about his insane ideas.

“By defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” - Hitler, Mein Kampf

Hitler loved his country, and he believed his nation had to be cleansed of a certain race of people. Hitler blamed the Jews for the destruction of his community and nation.

I’m of course not accusing you of being Hitler, but your analogy of the US vs the Nazis and the US vs Mexican Immigration is simply wrong.

Actually, I had not intended any analogy except the one about the languages. It’s amazing how you distorted my response to your post.

If you want to make make my statement an analogy, I would say the government of Mexico represents Germany because it has actively supported the invasion of the United States by its people. There are Hispanic groups in California who want all whites to leave as their population and political power has grown so much. Ethnic cleansing of citizens in their own country because they are too apathetic to stop the flow is tragic. One day they will wake up an discover that CA has made Spanish the official state language, as one small town in Texas has already tried to do. Ethnic cleansing in some CA towns that are virtually totally Hispanic has already begun. Perhaps you should visit one and experience the welcome you would get. Hispanics are the most ethno-centric group I have ever seen, though they are not a race, they call opponents of open borders racist,

Many Hispanics think the American southwest or Aztlan belongs to them and we stole it in 1848, and they will eventually reconquer it through illegal invasion and anchor babies and raw political power. At the rate things are going, and with the aid of some Americans, that is a fait accompli,

Of course, I’m not accusing you of being Neville Chamberlain, but your analogy that patriotic Americans who want our laws enforced and our borders secured represent Nazis and Hitler is nothing short of laughable.

 

[bjryman]

There is a certain irony in how you compare Mexican immigration to the US defending against the Nazis WWII.

War is not a tool we use to prevent us from having demographic changes in our country. We’re a country full of people with different backgrounds already.

We did not invade Normandy to prevent the US from having German heritage. Much of the people living in the Midwest are descendants of German immigrants.
We invaded it because Hitler was an evil man who was using military action to become more powerful and bring about his insane ideas.

“By defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” - Hitler, Mein Kampf

Hitler loved his country, and he believed his nation had to be cleansed of a certain race of people. Hitler blamed the Jews for the destruction of his community and nation.

I’m of course not accusing you of being Hitler, but your analogy of the US vs the Nazis and the US vs Mexican Immigration is simply wrong.

Your rebuttal though, misses the point. Previous waves of immigrants (the vast majority of them) came through Ellis Island. There were quotas, registrations, etc. Every country MUST carefully consider the “virtual” envelope that is necessary to maintain a level of security, prosperity, and openess.

There is a finite capability in any country’s population to absorb others, outside their boarders. That is a fact…our capacity to absorb is not infinite, and must be managed.

If we offer work visa’s, then enforce them. (balance the need with the labor supply)

If we offer a finite number per year of basic immigrants from a given country…the enforce that number.

If we need to develop various boarder protections to enforce the above…then do so.

The Federal Government’s primary responsibility is to protect our boarders…period. All else comes second, since it really only is the Federal Govt that can coordinate that defense and by law raise the taxes to support it.

You’ll notice that I have not mentioned anything about compassion, caring, etc. That is NOT the responsibility of the Federal Govt. It is the responsibility of the global community to be sure, and all should work to improve each others ability to provide for themselves.

Once one removes the emotional logic, the rest follows.