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dove_of_peace
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Neat!
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MSParrott
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That is really cool! 
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johnstown_johnn
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I read where Pilate’s wife Procula entreatied him to have no judgment on Jesus. After Pilate allowed the Jews to “…do with Him as you want…” Procula vanished from Pilate’s home.
All the while Procula was a follower of Jeus and after He was crucified she donned the clothes of Jewish women and lived out her life with one of the groups that believed in Him.
Pilate was ordered back to Rome when a new Caesar came into power (Caligula…I think) and returned without his wife for all the days of his life.
Anne Catherine Emmerich gives a detailed account of the trial of Jesus in her “Dolorous Passion of Jesus Christ.”
All the while Procula was a follower of Jeus and after He was crucified she donned the clothes of Jewish women and lived out her life with one of the groups that believed in Him.
Pilate was ordered back to Rome when a new Caesar came into power (Caligula…I think) and returned without his wife for all the days of his life.
Anne Catherine Emmerich gives a detailed account of the trial of Jesus in her “Dolorous Passion of Jesus Christ.”
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John_Russell_Jr
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That’s a great factoid. For any who don’t know here’s an interesting story about the book - Dolorous Passion of Jesus Christ.
A while ago Mel Gibson bought a whole library of catholic books from a convent clearing them out for $1 each. When he was looking thru the books one just fell off the shelf. He picked it up and read it. It inspired his movie - The Passion of the Christ.
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johnstown_johnn
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Pontius Pilate was the supreme authority in Jerusalem; he had the power of life or death and was the official judge.
After Pilate had interrogated Jesus he thought long and hard at the “evidence” against Him.
Pilate rendered his decision as “innocent” when he said to the crowd, “I find no guilt in this innocent and just man…but do with Him as you wish…”
Pilate pronounced Jesus “INNOCENT” and yet allowed the mob to destroy Him.
This is a clear case of malfeasance and yet, in some christian denomination in the Eastern Church Pilate is revered as a “saint.” Go figure!
After Pilate had interrogated Jesus he thought long and hard at the “evidence” against Him.
Pilate rendered his decision as “innocent” when he said to the crowd, “I find no guilt in this innocent and just man…but do with Him as you wish…”
Pilate pronounced Jesus “INNOCENT” and yet allowed the mob to destroy Him.
This is a clear case of malfeasance and yet, in some christian denomination in the Eastern Church Pilate is revered as a “saint.” Go figure!
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Strider
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Careful, here, folks. Are we getting our Scripture from “Believe or or Not,” now? And on Wilkipedia to boot; another layer of uncertainty. 
While it’s a beautiful sentiment, it’s not in my RSV CE, so I’ll take it as wishful thinking.
While it’s a beautiful sentiment, it’s not in my RSV CE, so I’ll take it as wishful thinking.
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thistle
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Interesting factoid.
I’m curious though. Nothing to do with the factoid. Do we know if Pilate spoke to Jesus in Latin? Pilate likely couldn’t speak Aramaic but he probably spoke Greek which was widely spoken among the locals in Judea.
I’m curious though. Nothing to do with the factoid. Do we know if Pilate spoke to Jesus in Latin? Pilate likely couldn’t speak Aramaic but he probably spoke Greek which was widely spoken among the locals in Judea.
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johnstown_johnn
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That has been a topic of debate in many forums.
The sign on Jesus’ cross was written in THREE languages: Latin, Aramaic and Greek.
Latin was the top of sign which read (my spelling may be off a bit here…“Jesus Nazareum Rex Judorum”…Jesus King of the Jews.
If the topmost words were Latin it would seem that Latin was dominant language in Jerusalem or it could just be because Rome was the authority. (You choose).
In the Gospels Pontius Pilate, after Jesus was exhibite3d after the scourging,said, “Ecce homo!” This, obviously, is Latin.
When Pilate interoggated Jesus at His trial the exchanges between them most probably was in Latin.
The currency of the time was Roman…Jews used their own coinage in the Temple.
Could be that Greek was an “accomodating” language since merchants for years before the Roman takeover. It was well established apparently.
When Pilate spoke to Jews in authority such as Herod and priests of the Temple most probably he spoke in Latin and they responded the same.
St. Jerome is the one that translated the bible and New Testaments from Hebrew and Greek into Latin. This was becuase Rome was the center of the world at that time.
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thistle
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Actually Scripture does not say which language was at the top. John 19:19 simply says Hebrew, Latin and Greek (NAB), Hebrew, Greek and Latin (D-R), Hebrew, Greek and Latin (Latin Vulgate).
The consistency is that Hebrew is mentioned first.
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johnstown_johnn
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Since crucifixion was a Roman form of execution (not with other Romans, though) it would seem logical that Latin was topmost on the sign.
Also, for what it’s worth, I toured Rome and visited the Church of the San Croce where relics of the crucifixion are on display.
One thorn from the “Crown”
One spike from the Cross
The largest piece from the Cross is encased in a compartment-like cross.
Finally, the sign which is reputed to be the SIGN on Jesus’ cross. It was (looked to be wood-burned …somewhat like engraved) and it had Latin on top.
The sign is written in all three languages from LEFT to RIGHT. No doubt to accomodate the Hebrews who read and write Left to Right.
I’ll try to Google a photo of the sign…maybe I’ll be successful.
Also, for what it’s worth, I toured Rome and visited the Church of the San Croce where relics of the crucifixion are on display.
One thorn from the “Crown”
One spike from the Cross
The largest piece from the Cross is encased in a compartment-like cross.
Finally, the sign which is reputed to be the SIGN on Jesus’ cross. It was (looked to be wood-burned …somewhat like engraved) and it had Latin on top.
The sign is written in all three languages from LEFT to RIGHT. No doubt to accomodate the Hebrews who read and write Left to Right.
I’ll try to Google a photo of the sign…maybe I’ll be successful.
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johnstown_johnn
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Came up with this:
(Sorry, the link doesn’t work) but there are many other links
If this doesn’t work Google Rome San Croce true Cross of Jesus or any combo similar.
Good luck
(Sorry, the link doesn’t work) but there are many other links
If this doesn’t work Google Rome San Croce true Cross of Jesus or any combo similar.
Good luck
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thistle
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Sorry but I do not believe these are relics of the crucifixion. One thorn from the crown. Come on! Give me a break. These are all fake.
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johnstown_johnn
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There are genuine relics brought to Rome from jerusalem by Constantine’s mother, St. Helena.
Maybe it could be a “pick-and-choose” on validity…no arguing that.
So, all things mentioned set aside then you believe the topmost words on the sign over Jesus’ head is scribed in Greek?
Is there a historical and logical purpose for it being in Greek as opposed to Latin?
There’s no doubting St. Paul spoke Greek but he was also a Roman citizen and spoke Latin. Same with Peter as he left Judea to go to Rome and establish the Church there. He had to speak Latin to be able to communicate.
Paul was beheaded in Rome because crucifixion was NOT a form of execution for Roman citizens…Peter was crucified in Rome on Vatican Hill. And it is Vatican Hill where St. Peter’s basilica sits since 600 AD.
If you ever tour the Holy Land you will see grafitti carved into broken structures in Latin. The currency was Roman.
The Holy Shroud (another object you can call fake…your option) has one Roman coin on each eye of the Man on the Shroud.
Rome ruled…and ruled mightily.
Maybe it could be a “pick-and-choose” on validity…no arguing that.
So, all things mentioned set aside then you believe the topmost words on the sign over Jesus’ head is scribed in Greek?
Is there a historical and logical purpose for it being in Greek as opposed to Latin?
There’s no doubting St. Paul spoke Greek but he was also a Roman citizen and spoke Latin. Same with Peter as he left Judea to go to Rome and establish the Church there. He had to speak Latin to be able to communicate.
Paul was beheaded in Rome because crucifixion was NOT a form of execution for Roman citizens…Peter was crucified in Rome on Vatican Hill. And it is Vatican Hill where St. Peter’s basilica sits since 600 AD.
If you ever tour the Holy Land you will see grafitti carved into broken structures in Latin. The currency was Roman.
The Holy Shroud (another object you can call fake…your option) has one Roman coin on each eye of the Man on the Shroud.
Rome ruled…and ruled mightily.
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johnstown_johnn
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The more sites I visit for the inscription on Jesus’ cross the more uncertain it becomes.
One version had it in Hebrew/Greek/ Latin …I give up; it’s not really so important as to get engulfed in the order.
You may be correct’ maybe not…there is no knowing for certain.
They all say the same thing however…that is the IMPORTANT thing.
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thistle
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