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I am just letting myself go off in thought, and imagining this life.
This is very hard for me to imagine.

You must really love people to do such a thing. I also live in Chicago.🙂

Monica
I don’t love people that much!!! I enlisted because I was 20 years old, had a drifty life, and needed money for college. I thought I’d have to share a room with maybe 3 other people, not 83. I also thought the Navy had a cleaning crew to take care of all the little details except my personal gear. :o I learned in a hurry.

People- Whatever the outcome of the election, I once volunteered to represent & defend this country and all for which it stands, including freedom of speech and the right to vote as one pleases- even this religious sister who slings nastiness and snideness about somebody’s sister-in-law’s doctorin’ skills.

And that’s what the thread is about- that even religious can be nasty people who sling nastiness despite a vowed life, and whether or not people should sling them back when they do so.
 
You know what folks?

A LOT OF CATHOLICS ARE VOTING FOR OBAMA.

A LOT OF CATHOLICS ARE DOING SO TO END THE WAR.

A LOT OF CATHOLICS ARE DOING SO IN THE HOPE THAT THEY CAN KEEP THEIR JOBS, THEIR HOMES AND FEED THEIR CHILDREN.

A LOT OF CATHOLICS KNOW MCCAIN IS NOT SERIOUSLY PRO-LIFE.

Just sayin’. Just informing. Just lettin’ you know. This is what I am listening to other’s saying. You shouldn’t take it personally.

I know it’s hard for some of you to understand, but the bashing or angst over Catholics voting for Barack on Family Life or Parenting is really frustrating and saddening me.

I am not discussing politics further, I just wanted to state the obvious.

Furthermore I think it’s really sad that Barack Obama’s grandmother died today 😦 . I am saying a prayer for the repose of her soul. :signofcross: What a shame, the day before the election at that.

One more day, just one more day and this will be over. sigh

God Bless.
I am so glad there is somebody here who wrote this! You are a legend!!!
 
Either way I am sad/irritated/shocked about it all.😦 :mad: :eek:
I for one think you are one of the few people on this thread who is speaking with any level of balance at all! KCtheMommy for president!!!

I love your posts, and reading the responses I can understand how you are getting upset.

The childish, and anti-intellectual nature of the politcal post on this board is enough to make anybody angry (or at the very least exasperated).
 
The childish, and anti-intellectual nature of the politcal post on this board is enough to make anybody angry (or at the very least exasperated).
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And the other side sees the people voting FOR O as immoral and materialistic…enough to make anyone angry and/or exasperated:shrug:**
 
a couple more hours and all these threads can go away.

Why can’t everyone just respect what other people are choosing? Blarg.
 
Furthermore I think it’s really sad that Barack Obama’s grandmother died today 😦 . I am saying a prayer for the repose of her soul. :signofcross: What a shame, the day before the election at that.
:gopray: Me too! I also asked her intercession for the election to turn out Pro-Life and for her misguided grandson to be kept out of the presidency where he could do so much harm in signing FOCA into law. How that despicable piece of legislature could ever “reduce abortions” is not reconcilable with logic.

And I for one can’t trust anyone who would consider signing this law. If they’re wrong on this, could they ever be trusted to be RIGHT on anything else? Their moral compass is pointing straight into the pit of hell, imho.
 
Why can’t everyone just respect what other people are choosing? Blarg.
You’re right. I am convinced. I now respect everyone’s right to choose anything, including voting for a man whose top priority is eliminating all restrictions on abortions and forcing me to pay for them with my tax money. (This is from Obama himself, that the first thing he will do is sign FOCA.) I respect the choice to have an abortion. I respect the choice to euthanize grandma. I respect the choice to live a gay lifestyle, and to adopt children into that family situation. I respect the choice to shack up and fornicate.

Because after all, choice is the highest value, is it not. I have to respect anything and everything anyone does, because it’s their choice. Choice is the sacrament… bow before it.

P.S. Obama can’t end the war. He might pull our troops out, but the the terrorists will not stop fighting, and they will follow our troops home. The war will not end until our enemies decide to stop killing us, or we crush their ability to do so.
 
You’re right. I am convinced. I now respect everyone’s right to choose anything, including voting for a man whose top priority is eliminating all restrictions on abortions and forcing me to pay for them with my tax money. (This is from Obama himself, that the first thing he will do is sign FOCA.) I respect the choice to have an abortion. I respect the choice to euthanize grandma. I respect the choice to live a gay lifestyle, and to adopt children into that family situation. I respect the choice to shack up and fornicate.

Because after all, choice is the highest value, is it not. I have to respect anything and everything anyone does, because it’s their choice. Choice is the sacrament… bow before it.

P.S. Obama can’t end the war. He might pull our troops out, but the the terrorists will not stop fighting, and they will follow our troops home. The war will not end until our enemies decide to stop killing us, or we crush their ability to do so.
:clapping: :sad_yes: :console: :amen:
 
You’re right. I am convinced. I now respect everyone’s right to choose anything, including voting for a man whose top priority is eliminating all restrictions on abortions and forcing me to pay for them with my tax money. (This is from Obama himself, that the first thing he will do is sign FOCA.) I respect the choice to have an abortion. I respect the choice to euthanize grandma. I respect the choice to live a gay lifestyle, and to adopt children into that family situation. I respect the choice to shack up and fornicate.

Because after all, choice is the highest value, is it not. I have to respect anything and everything anyone does, because it’s their choice. Choice is the sacrament… bow before it.

P.S. Obama can’t end the war. He might pull our troops out, but the the terrorists will not stop fighting, and they will follow our troops home. The war will not end until our enemies decide to stop killing us, or we crush their ability to do so.
You know, I just find it funny how myself and KC have been posting on these boards for awhile (mind you I have no where near as many posts as some) yet all of a sudden when people don’t want to hear about it in the Family/Parenting forums then we are all of a sudden “supporting choice”.

Obviously nobody has read anything I’ve ever posted in the Politics section or probably here either. shakes head I already voted and if you go look I was proud about who I cast my ballot for!
But slamming someone for asking you to stop talking about it, or RESPECTING not ACCEPTING who they VOTE for then it’s flame city.

12 more hours. I pray people will listen to who GOD is telling them to vote for not who you or anyone else is telling them to vote for.
 
*American Heritage Dictionary -

re·spect (rĭ-spěkt’)

tr.v. re·spect·ed, re·spect·ing, re·spects

To feel or show deferential regard for; esteem.

n.
A feeling of appreciative, often deferential regard; esteem. See Synonyms at regard.
The state of being regarded with honor or esteem. *

I may have to ACCEPT that some people are voting for a person I think would destroy this country, but I do not have to RESPECT that choice. In fact, I disdain it and I think I have good reason. But because I do have RESPECT for our system and the rights it protects, I do ACCEPT the fact that others have the right to disagree with me and vote differently. I cannot RESPECT the choice to vote for Obama, no matter what reasons people give for it.

Words mean things… use the right ones.
 
KC, are you as angry about ACORN cheating as you are about the dirty tricks you say are being perpetrated by Republicans? And Obama actually funded ACORN during THIS CAMPAIGN. He paid them for work they did for him… so he is in hip deep.

Anyone dumb enough to fall for those things probably shouldn’t vote anyway. And I don’t think the GOP instructed anyone to do that stuff, funded it, or approved of it in any way. We all know that sometimes supporters go off half-cocked and do stupid stuff that embarrasses their candidates.
 
Not only do you need to grow up – you need to WAKE UP.

“Not even Democrats are that uninformed.” Well yeah, apparently they ARE, otherwise they wouldn’t be prayed upon this way.

I care about all of humanity and this is why your IGNORANT view is disturbing to me.

You have no idea who I am voting for – you are just assuming.
Lady, you seem to imply here that the Republicans are the bad guys and the DEMS are totally innocent of wrongdoing. In that case, you are the one who needs to wake up and change your…as you so nicely put it…ignorant view. If you haven’t read about the shenanigans by the Dems then your head is in the sand. I will say that I did look at some of your links and saw the statement in question. True or not…I don’t know but I’m willing to believe there is bad behavior on both sides.
OH and FURTHERMORE I am a military wife, with an active duty husband… I can quite frankly state how WE feel about the WAR – as military – since it affects us DIRECTLY.
You can’t pull the military card with me dear. My father was a lifer…my life was spent as a military child and all that that entails. My husband went to Vietnam two months after we were married. Most of my friends went to Vietnam and my brother went twice. My nephew is a Gulf War veteran and just got back from Iraq recently. And one other thought I will add…I never made my judgment on any war based on whether I wanted my loved ones to be there. Of course you don’t want them to be there. It’s a sacrifice the military makes. I’m not accusing you of doing this but I dare to say that many look at it only from how it affects them personally.
 
A LOT OF CATHOLICS KNOW MCCAIN IS NOT SERIOUSLY PRO-LIFE.
From http://www.prochoiceamerica.org/assets/files/mccain_fact_sheet.pdf

**In His Own Words **
• Discussing his pro life voting record, McCain said, “I have many, many votes and it’s been consistent. And I’ve got a consistent zero from NARAL throughout all those years…. [M]y record is clear. And I think the important thing is you look at people’s voting record because sometimes rhetoric can be a little… misleading…. As you know I don’t support Roe v. Wade…. I thought it was a bad decision, and I think that the decision should be made in the states.”62

• “I’m proud that we have Justice Alito and Roberts on the United States Supreme Court. I’m very proud to have played a very small role in making that happen.”63 McCain explained further that he “will try to find clones of Alito and Roberts” to fill future court vacancies.64

Preserving Roe v. Wade and a Woman’s Right to Choose
������ Voted against a resolution in support of Roe v. Wade and a woman’s constitutional right to safe and legal abortion services.4
������ Repeatedly voted for (and cosponsored) the Federal Abortion Ban, a law that criminalizes some abortion services, with no exception to protect a woman’s health, and carries up to a two year prison sentence for doctors.5
������ Supported the Unborn Victims of Violence Act, a law that grants separate legal status to an embryo or fetus,6 which anti choice Sen. Orrin Hatch (R UT) boasted “undermines abortion rights.”7
������ Voted to codify a controversial regulation that allows states to make an embryo or fetus – but not a pregnant woman – eligible for health care coverage.8
������ Voted in favor of President Bush’s nomination of John Ashcroft to be the U.S. Attorney General.9 Ashcroft has called abortion “an atrocity against the future”10 and expressed his “hope that the [U.S.] Supreme Court announces it is overturning the Roe decision.”11

Voted in favor of four anti choice U.S. Supreme Court nominees:

������ Samuel Alito, nominated to be associate justice.12 After joining the Court, Justice Alito cast the deciding vote upholding the Federal Abortion Ban, a ban that
criminalizes some abortion services, with no exception to protect a woman’s health, and carries up to a two year prison sentence for doctors.13
������ John Roberts, nominated to be chief justice.14 After joining the Court, Chief Justice Roberts voted to uphold the Federal Abortion Ban, a ban that criminalizes some abortion services, with no exception to protect a woman’s health, and carries up to a two year prison sentence for doctors.15
������ Clarence Thomas, nominated to be associate justice.16 After joining the Court, Justice Thomas joined opinions stating that “Roe was wrongly decided… it can and should be overruled”17 and described the Court’s decision in Roe as “grievously wrong.”18
������ Robert Bork, nominated to be associate justice.19 During his confirmation hearings, Bork stated, “There is a need for stability and continuity in the law. There is a need for predictability in legal doctrine. And it is important that the law not be considered as shifting every time the personnel of the Supreme Court changes.”20 However, years later, when asked how America would be different had he been confirmed, Bork responded, “Well, America would be different in the sense that Roe against Wade would have been overruled.”21

Ensuring Access to Abortion Services

������ Repeatedly voted to deny low income women access to abortion care except in cases of rape, incest, or life endangerment, 34 even voting once to prohibit federal Medicaid funds for abortion services in any case.35
������ Voted to permit federally funded Title X family planning clinics to decline to counsel women on abortion services.36
������ Voted to deny all federal health grants to any health center that provides abortion care with other funds, a move that would defund family planning clinics nationwide.37
������ Voted against lifting the ban that forbids U.S. servicewomen from obtaining abortion services at overseas military hospitals with their own funds.38
������ Voted against lifting the ban that forbids federal employees from choosing health insurance that includes abortion coverage.39
������ Repeatedly voted to prohibit the District of Columbia from using federal funds or its own locally raised revenues to provide abrtion services for low income women.40
������ Voted to require Title X family planning clinics to notify a teen’s parent before providing abortion services.41
������ Voted in favor of a law that would have jeopardized young women’s health and safety by making it a federal crime for anyone othr than a parent – including a grandparent, adult sibling, or religious counselor – to accompany a young woman across state lines for abortion care if the home state parental involvement mandate has not been met.42
������ Voted for a proposal that would have endangered young women’s health and safety by imposing a new, impossibly complex national patchwork of parental notification mandates on doctors and young women.43
 
You know what folks?

A LOT OF CATHOLICS ARE VOTING FOR OBAMA.

A LOT OF CATHOLICS ARE DOING SO TO END THE WAR.

A LOT OF CATHOLICS ARE DOING SO IN THE HOPE THAT THEY CAN KEEP THEIR JOBS, THEIR HOMES AND FEED THEIR CHILDREN.

A LOT OF CATHOLICS KNOW MCCAIN IS NOT SERIOUSLY PRO-LIFE.

Just sayin’. Just informing. Just lettin’ you know. This is what I am listening to other’s saying. You shouldn’t take it personally.

I know it’s hard for some of you to understand, but the bashing or angst over Catholics voting for Barack on Family Life or Parenting is really frustrating and saddening me.

I am not discussing politics further, I just wanted to state the obvious.

Furthermore I think it’s really sad that Barack Obama’s grandmother died today 😦 . I am saying a prayer for the repose of her soul. :signofcross: What a shame, the day before the election at that.

One more day, just one more day and this will be over. sigh

God Bless.
I hear ya, KC. I don’t like the bashing either. I don’t think anyone is bashing in here though…but, McCain is pro life, and wants to overturn Roe v Wade. He believes that life begins at conception. I think that when he has commented about it being used for unusual circumstances, this doesn’t indicate that he is not prolife. I just wanted to remark about that, because Obama is pro abortion…calling it a choice, but pro abortion to the point of wanting it legal for women into the 9th month of pregnancy. No one…Catholic or otherwise…should vote to put someone into office who would think this is ‘business as usual.’ It frightens me because our government was never meant to have this much ‘power,’ frankly.

I agree though that we shouldn’t be bashing one another for who we choose to vote for…but, just wanted to remark about McCain.
 
War is horrible. I agree with that KC Mommy. I have no idea what you are going through.
Nor do I know what it is like to be Jesus, looking at the doctor mutilate the baby in the womb. Or Jesus looking at the soldier at war missing his family, suffering blows, and many dying horrible painful deaths. Leaving family behind.

I am not for war, unless there is a just cause. And, even then it’s not optimal for any christian to desire.

I do know, that there is a war we think does not effect families. We think abortion does not effect people life-long. We need to re- think this, maybe as much as we need to stop thinking that someone who God willed to be created is not important until they can defend themselves from violence.
I know you feel republicans can not stop abortion. You are right.
At least with McCain, he will leave this up to the states, which will decide for themselves. We of course could argue this all day long, and never agree and that is fine.

We all need to realize what is defendable and what is defenseless.
Excellent post! Abortion affects everyone. It affects us in the sense that the government if Obama is elected…will now tell us who is desirable and who isn’t…and who should live, and who shouldn’t. The Obama Administration wants people to think that reproduction is strictly a woman’s choice…(check out his own website for that)…and once we started viewing babies as property…(don’t want the baby, get rid of it, want the baby, keep it)…all other things sort of follow suit. How can someone who wants abortion to be available, even to the 9th month, be concerned with healthcare for you and me? The two sentiments can’t coexist. How can someone who wants abortion to be available even to the 9th month, care about children’s education? Oh, is that the children who someone thought fit to live?

That is the problem with electing someone like Obama into office. He will fundamentally change this country…not for the better.

Common sense…that’s all you need…to make a good decision. Voting for someone who doesn’t care about the welfare of unborn lives…about our future…about children who are fully developed in the womb…this is not someone who cares about you and me.

I’m not enamored with McCain, but at least he speaks about overturning Roe v Wade, not upholding it…and supporting it…and making it one of his priorities. That is what Obama is saying…he will make keeping abortion legal-A PRIORITY.

Scary, folks.🤷
 
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