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PRmerger
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Yep.
Now your turn. You’ve been asked at least 3 times to proffer sources for your position regarding homosexuals being born that way.
Perhaps you want to cite this expert?
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Now your turn. You’ve been asked at least 3 times to proffer sources for your position regarding homosexuals being born that way.
Perhaps you want to cite this expert?
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Marc_Anthony
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After an interesting question, let’s go back to the OP:
CFA Dissenter 2: **Yup. Setting aside the legal, social, and emotional damage done by that discrimination, the financial cost to gays is also huge.
The notion that opposing gay marriage isn’t really the same as hurting gays is utterly disingenuous.**
Do you guys agree with this or not? Why or why not?
CFA Dissenter 2: **Yup. Setting aside the legal, social, and emotional damage done by that discrimination, the financial cost to gays is also huge.
The notion that opposing gay marriage isn’t really the same as hurting gays is utterly disingenuous.**
Do you guys agree with this or not? Why or why not?
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PRmerger
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Interesting. I’d never heard that he promoted those ridiculous ideas.
Can you please provide your source? His words and writings, please.
(Else you will, of course, be reported for contempt and slandering an individual.)
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CopticChristian
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Poorly formed Conscience of a Catholic Tracer Bullet,
Lets go with that. There can be no answers to your question insofar as you need correction that your points of view are not Catholic and you need remedial training. Your points of view indicate poor catechesis. Get on with it.
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Matilda_Bennett
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Taestron
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I’m not sure of what financial cost this person was talking. As far as I know, civil unions provide the same sort of financial benefits as marriage unless we are talking of religious organizations. However, to call these costs “huge” seems a gross exaggeration. Many times people on both sides of the debate use phrases like “huge costs” or “obvious social effects” as if everyone knows about what they are talking. This trend must be stopped if any meaningful conversation can be accomplished.
As far as the last statement, if we accept their premise, then it seems we must also accept their conclusion. However, since they do not provide any evidence for this “legal, social, emotional, and financial” harm, it is very easy to reject this premise. One could, for example, say that the society that adopts Christian values is the best society and that any perceived harm is beneficial in the long run. So I must say, it remains a rather weak argument until the premise is verified.
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TracerBullet
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Did you bother to look?
Try looking at Truth Wins Out. they are a watchdog group for ex-gay ministries like NARTH
As for the slavery comment – was technically made by Gerald Schoenewolf, one of Nicolosi’s partners. Nicolosi spent a good deal of time and energy defending that statement though. “[the comments] have been misconstrued by some of our readers. ”He tried to blame gay activists for it “political correctness gone amok.”
All that aside the real problem with your link is (again) the complete lack of references and supporting documentation to Nicolosi’s claims.
How is that thought exercise coming along?
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Marc_Anthony
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You’re the person who made claims about the character and authenticity of Nicolosi. The burden of proof is on you to support those claims, not PRmerger.
Of course, I give you credit now for providing a couple of sources (although you didn’t actually give them-you just said, “Hey check this site out, it probably supports what I’m talking about!” and then you admitted that the quote you referenced wasn’t actually said by Nicolosi but instead claimed that Nicolosi “defended” it without giving us any sources proving this claim. But, at least you tried.
Still, “Did you bother to look?” is not a good response; it was your responsibility to give supporting evidence, not hers.
And can you provide sources that support your new claims, mainly that Nicolosi supported the idea that whites “did blacks a favor by enslaving them”? Did you bother to see if the quote was, in fact, misconstrued? Did you try and see what they were actually defending? And where did that “flush out the gay Gatorade” thing come from?
You made the claims; the burden of proof is on you to support them.
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PRmerger
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No, Tracer.
Provide evidence, primary evidence, that he has said these ridiculous things–not what someone else has said he said.
If you can provide a source, I guarantee you that I will disavow myself of anything else that Dr. Nicolosi has said.
Promise.
But, if you cannot provide any sources that say that he said that drinking gatorade will flush the gay, (and all the other things you’ve attributed to him) I will ask you to retract that, and I will make it my mission here on the CAFs to make sure you do that.
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PRmerger
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And I see that you are online right now. I will give you the next hour to provide sources–primary sources.
And if you do, I will never ever ever refer to Dr. Nicolosi again.
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CopticChristian
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Tracer,
You as a Catholic need Catechesis. You as a person presenting a position need to understand that everything you see on the web is not true. Have you seen the commercial where the girl is accompanied by the French model?
truthwinsout.org/what-the-experts-say/
This part of the page, truth wins out, uses the APA etc to promote their message. Their message is wrong and is nothing more than the same propaganda that is used to try to convince people that something that isn’t is and something that is isn’t. Addiction is not now and never has been a disease however try and tell that to a 12 step person and they will get irrate…
The following is from Stanton Peele, PhD, the Truth about Addiction…it gets the same press that Nicolisi gets and because of that the media has convinced people that Addiction is a disease…secret…it is not…
Peele makes the point…Arrowsmith. Can you imagine that these guys from different walks of life, end up in a band and then they all go to rehab…disease? No. It is a social cultural habit. How could anyone explain the likelyhood of these guys all diseased getting together and forming a band…
Truth wins out loses all credibility by touting the APA etc…the party line just isn’t true and the media message just is not going to get swallowed…you don’t like Nicolosi as much as those that tout AA and the 12 steps don’t like the people that say Addiction is not a Disease…
Get real my friend and do spend some time in the Catechism.
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Matilda_Bennett
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This thread is now closed. Thank you to all who participated.
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