"Interfaith Services" in a Catholic chapel

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Caesar said:
Well, after the TLM the FSSP seminarians who served the Missa Cantata brought a wooden table out of the sacristy (that is an actual wooden table, like something you might have in your kitchen) and placed it in front the the High Altar you can see in the pictures. This is what they use for the weekly Novus Ordo Mass and the interfaith service. I also noticed that the statues get cloths draped over them and the candles and crucifix on the High Altar are taken away.
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Why take away the crucifix and the candles? Isn’t this a Christian interfaith service? Or is it interfaith as in truly interfaith (including all religions)? Even then why the candles? Or is it to protect them from mistreatment?
 
a_cermak said:
Why take away the crucifix and the candles? Isn’t this a Christian interfaith service? Or is it interfaith as in truly interfaith (including all religions)? Even then why the candles? Or is it to protect them from mistreatment?
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Oh no, haven’t you heard?

Its this new fangled ecumenism, we don’t want to offend the Heretics - Statues and Candles are far too Catholic looking.
 
CatholicNick said:
Oh no, haven’t you heard?

Its this new fangled ecumenism, we don’t want to offend the Heretics - Statues and Candles are far too Catholic looking.
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I bet if you asked the non-Catholics, they would not be offended by either the crucifix or the candles - in fact, I think they would be very interested in learning about them.

This is the sort of thing that I really hate about “ecumenical” events - everyone’s so worried about offending someone that there’s nothing left worth celebrating.
 
Caesar said:
Well, after the TLM the FSSP seminarians who served the Missa Cantata brought a wooden table out of the sacristy (that is an actual wooden table, like something you might have in your kitchen) and placed it in front the the High Altar you can see in the pictures. This is what they use for the weekly Novus Ordo Mass and the interfaith service. I also noticed that the statues get cloths draped over them and the candles and crucifix on the High Altar are taken away.
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But not the Blessed Sacrament?
 
a_cermak said:
Why take away the crucifix and the candles? Isn’t this a Christian interfaith service? Or is it interfaith as in truly interfaith (including all religions)? Even then why the candles? Or is it to protect them from mistreatment?
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Maybe its just to take away the temptation for them to be lit by someone of another faith.

Think about it. If they are there to do their thing, why do they need to be distracted into temptation?

It would be wrong to lead someone into temptation.

And sorry if no one likes this but IMHO they have no right to light a candle in a Catholic Church during a non catholic gig.

SO sorry if that does not sound nice, but I stand by it.
 
Damascus said:
And sorry if no one likes this but IMHO they have no right to light a candle in a Catholic Church during a non catholic gig.

SO sorry if that does not sound nice, but I stand by it.
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Dont worry - your words are not offensive - however there should be nothing but Catholic gigs, as it were, in a Catholic Church.

If such abominations must go on, they can happen in Community halls etc etc. Never in an Actual Catholic Church - in the presence of either the Blessed Sacrament and Tabernacle or the Altar - which Represents Our Lord Himself.
 
jmcrae said:
“Interfaith” simply means that it’s not a Mass, and that people of all different religions are welcome to attend.
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Maybe, but people of all different religions are welcome to attend a Catholic Mass, too.

Keep a Catholic chapel Catholic.
 
Catholic Nick -

Thanks for waking me up on this one. Why not some other place in the hospital?

I am allll for it, but I am too stupid sometimes to see the big picture cuz my heart feels for the suffering people in hospitals… Trust me I have seen a lot unfortunately due to sick and dying I have seen…

But its not as if they cant use another space!!!

I retract my earlier posts!!!

I vote yes to let them do their gig-

But a BIG NO to doing in that in a Catholic Church!!!

Whattamatter with me???

Even a candle had to wake me up!😦
CatholicNick said:
Dont worry - your words are not offensive - however there should be nothing but Catholic gigs, as it were, in a Catholic Church.

If such abominations must go on, they can happen in Community halls etc etc. Never in an Actual Catholic Church - in the presence of either the Blessed Sacrament and Tabernacle or the Altar - which Represents Our Lord Himself.
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CatholicNick said:
Heretics and adherants of False religions (this includes Protestantism) who are not inconceivably ignorant don’t go to Hell? (and let me stress, such Ignorance is incredibly rare - more so than the Modernists and Relativists would have you believe)

I think all the past Popes from the beginning of the Church to around JPII - where things have gotten wishy washy - and teaching/Dogmas of the Catholic Church don’t agree with you on that one.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extra_Ecclesiam_nulla_salus

Maybe read this, and the quotes of Past popes through the ages.
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Or you could feel free to read the Cathechism of the Catholic Church.

CCC said:
847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.
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scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a9p3.htm#846

So, it would appear that the Church thinks that people who seek God with a sincere heart still have a fighting chance.

You claim that people are not ignorant of God, and I disagree. I feel that there are many people out there that view the idea of God through eyes that have been biased by negative run-ins with overzealous “proselytizing” Christians who manage to do nothing more than alienate the people they are trying to teach with some nonsense fire-and-brimstone nonsense that is sure to do nothing but piss people off. I have friends that are in this situation, and it has taken them a long time get passed the stigma of the previous Christians of all walks trying to spread the word of Christ. I know people who are trying to seek God outside of organized religion because they simply haven’t found a way to worship within an organized group yet. So, I would say that being ignorant of God, or of the Church, or whatever, is far easier than I think you give it credit for.

Eamon
 
Originally Posted by CCC
847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:
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Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.
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This is inconceivable ignorance - as I’ve already said before, and this Ignorance is very rare today, despite what the Modernists and Relativists would like you to believe. Many many people know the Church exists.

Also, this is the rare exception to the Rule, which is the Dogma of Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus - which is as I stated in the other post.

Dogmas do not change.
 
Damascus said:
Thanks for waking me up on this one. Why not some other place in the hospital?
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I would have to disagree on this point. It is fine for other Christians to attend Catholic services. They simply cannot receive the Eucharist. Why should this be any different? It is a place where they can go to pray and worship God. They aren’t rushing the tabernacle trying to desecrate Jesus or something. I see no reason why non-Catholics can’t worship in this chapel when in fact they are permitted to come to any ordinary Sunday Mass.

Eamon
 
turboEDvo said:
I would have to disagree on this point. It is fine for other Christians to attend Catholic services. They simply cannot receive the Eucharist. Why should this be any different? It is a place where they can go to pray and worship God. They aren’t rushing the tabernacle trying to desecrate Jesus or something. I see no reason why non-Catholics can’t worship in this chapel when in fact they are permitted to come to any ordinary Sunday Mass.

Eamon
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Because it is a Catholic hospital with a Catholic chapel for Mass. Why not invite everyone to the Mass at the chapel and have a prayer meeting in another room?

Hey, when I was in a non-Catholic hospital for a surgery, they had a mass on tv broadcast from the chapel downstairs and then the EMHC’s from a local parish bring communion. In the Catholic hospital I had my daughter in, there was no “interfath” service but everyone was invited to pray in the chapel. Period.
 
jmcrae said:
Does it say right on there that it’s a liberal, Protestant-style interfaith service, or are you just assuming that part?

Not all interfaith services are liberal, and not all are done in the Protestant style. “Interfaith” simply means that it’s not a Mass, and that people of all different religions are welcome to attend.
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I’m a member of the Church of Satan. Would you allow me to conduct a Black Mass in that Catholic chapel? :confused:
 
lepanto said:
I’m a member of the Church of Satan. Would you allow me to conduct a Black Mass in that Catholic chapel? :confused:
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A service which is deliberately designed to be both a mockery and antithesis of a Catholic Mass? Of course not.

A service which is designed to be INclusive of both Catholics and people of other faiths - why not?
 
lepanto said:
I’m a member of the Church of Satan. Would you allow me to conduct a Black Mass in that Catholic chapel? :confused:
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Wow. You partake in this activity? Wow. Why? I dont understand your name.

The battle of Lepanto. What is the connection? Where is your Church of Satan at?

I dont think you seriously could expect anyone to let you do anything in any Christian denomination Church let alone ours.

If you find one that will, let us all know who will allow it so we can start an exciting thread.👍
 
Damascus said:
Wow. You partake in this activity? Wow. Why? I dont understand your name.

The battle of Lepanto. What is the connection? Where is your Church of Satan at?

I dont think you seriously could expect anyone to let you do anything in any Christian denomination Church let alone ours.

If you find one that will, let us all know who will allow it so we can start an exciting thread.👍
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He isn’t Church of Satan, read some of his past posts, doesn’t sound like an evil Satanist to me.

I think he was just trying to put the point across 🙂
 
Oh.

He scared me for a minute.

What is the problem with having the service or whatever somewhere else?

How about on the helipad or something? If they need to move, they can move it to the cafeteria.

The cafeteria may even have some catholics there as well…:eek:
 
As a general rule, I am opposed to interfaith** SERVICES**. I don’t have a problem with people of different faiths or even different religions for that matter praying together outside the context of an actual service. For example praying outside of an abortion clinic would be all right, moving the same thing to a Church and having an actual physical service I think would be wrong.

I also don’t think that a Church or Chapel that is designed as a distinctly Catholic place of worshiop should be used for these gatherings

The reason for that as I see it is simple. I believe that the Catholic Church is the one true Church. I also believe that all other Christian sects and other religions, Islam, Hinduism etc., and others are deficient and cannot have the same efficaciency as does Catholicism. Interfaith services almost never seek to evangelize because of the perceived equality of faiths that so many seem to have now, ie: as long as you believe in something you are all right. They don’t want to offend anyone. So they tend to be bland, and usually rather protestant in nature.

For Catholics to join in more than the most basic of prayers in these gatherings I feel is bad and dangerous.

Also an often overlooked point. Most non-Catholic faiths have doctrines and beliefs that are distinctly non Catholic or even non Christian. To use a Catholic Church or Chapel for services that include their messages is at a bare minimum disrespectful to the memories of the martyrs who died for our faith and at worst blasphemous to the most High God.

For instance, both Judaism and Islam have heard of and accept the life of Christ. Both religions have heard his message. Both religions accept the basic story of his life, with some differences. Both have consciously **REJECTED ** Christ as the Son of God and Savior knowingly and willingly. Mormons have doctrines and beliefs which are in direct contradiction to Christian teaching and Catholic doctrine. Ditto for the various Adventist groups. Most mainline Protestant groups reject the Catholic concept of Baptism as the cleansing of Original Sin and actually mock and disparage the Catholic belief system.

Just my opinion, but to allow people who hold these beliefs to enter into and use distinctly Catholic facilities to preach non Catholic beliefs I feel is completely wrong. If they want to come in and pray to whatever God they worship, fine, but let then have their services in their own places. I see absolutely no value in Catholics attending such gatherings and see the potential for a great deal of harm.
 
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