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InSearchofGrace
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This thread may help with your confusion.
Do souls have genders?
Read reference to Fr. Vincent Serpa’s answer on Page 2.
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Do souls have genders?
Read reference to Fr. Vincent Serpa’s answer on Page 2.
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Zoltan_Cobalt
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FireFromHeaven
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So our souls are gendered because they are the form of our bodies? But then couldn’t the reassignment surgery change the body and thus the soul? Pardon if I’m misunderstanding this. I always found souls difficult to wrap my head around.
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Joie_de_Vivre
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GEddie claimed that “gender … is written in the genes of the entire body” which is false else women’s souls would become more male if they had microchimerism with a male fetus occur due to pregnancy.
Gender is not the reproductive organs, that is sex.
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GEddie
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Nothing physical can change the soul.
Any damage to the body does not affect the soul and will be righted in life everlasting.
Even after gender reassignment, every cell of the human body carries its birth gender, and will do so unto death.
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Joie_de_Vivre
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So, question, if parents found out from a doctor that the reason their daughter has not attained menarche is because she has an XY Karyotype and CAIS should they raise their daughter then as a boy?
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InSearchofGrace
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You are describing an intersex condition. If parents find out their daughter has male karyotype and is completely androgen insensitive, they should bring her to the professionals for treatment and management. Fortunately, unlike in the 50’s, much is now known on said condition and its variations and there is the Intersex Society of North America that parents and their daughter can approach for support.
The type of question you raised is addressed in the ISNA site under Recommended Treatment for Intersexual children / adolescents
The option of surgical and hormonal intervention should be offered around puberty. Intervention should be undertaken only at the request and with the full informed consent of the intersexual child,including the opportunity to discuss sexual function with adults who have undergone similar surgeries, and validation of the child’s right to delay or to choose no surgery at all. Plastic surgery of the genitals is profoundly damaging to erotic function, and the individual choosing surgery must be allowed to evaluate the tradeoff for her/himself.
Some information Under the FAQ section:
Sometimes a person isn’t found to have intersex anatomy until she or he reaches the age of puberty, or finds himself an infertile adult, or dies of old age and is autopsied. Some people live and die with intersex anatomy without anyone (including themselves) ever knowing.
The vast majority of children with complete androgen insensitivity syndrome grow up to feel female, and that many children with cloacal exstrophy and XY chromosomes will grow up to feel male.
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Joie_de_Vivre
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If “every cell of the human body carries its birth gender” then shouldn’t we make them live male as their genetics say they really are?
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CarmelJerome
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Two contradictory things have been mixed up by the term ‘transgender’. The older term was clear and eel l - defined - a transsexuals was used to refer to someone who, from the earliest age, asserted that they were the other sex, and in whom there was never any confusion about the matter, and who insisted that their condition was similar to a birth defect. ‘Transgender’ came into use because the whole goal of transsexual persons was to blend in. But ‘transgender’ came to be used because a number of people did not want to do this. They wanted to publically proclaim their difference; and the absurd notion that there are multiple genders came into vogue among them because they could not surmount the barriers to living as the sex they claimed to be. Also, people who would not have been considered transsexual before the confusion of gender roles in the last quarter century were admitted to the therapeutic and surgical procedures simply by a redefinition of diagnosis.
Whole an official document was released on the question of transsexuality, the question is a scientific one rather than a theological one. It comes down to whether the developer of genitalia in the womb invariably corresponds to the brain sex -which also implies the question whether male and female brains are different. ‘Male and female He created them’ simply doesn’t address this question at all. If a child repeatedly and fixed ly from the ages of 3-5 simply insists that they’re a girl or boy, this is unlikely to be a fantasy - the fact that the vast majority are never uncertain about such things does not mean that the infinitesimal number of children to whom this applies are wrong or deluded.
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InSearchofGrace
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More accurately, each cell carries 23 chromosome pairs, with the sex chromosome comprising the 23rd pair in a karyotype, XX being female and XY being male.
If karyo-genotype is consistent with phenotype, say, female, but the mind is dictating or expressing male, the opposite gender, this makes for an internal conflict, giving rise to socializing problems. It would be a transgender person likely suffering from gender dysphoria.
You raised a different and likewise rare occurrence of disorder in physical sexual development, IOW, an intersex condition, where the daughter is found out to have XY karyotype and CAIS and hence has not attained menarche.
Accordingly, someone with complete androgen insensitivity syndrome are born phenotypically female, without any signs of genital masculinization, despite having an XY karyotype. That usually means absent ovaries and womb (therefore infertility), shorter than average vagina, and presents sometimes with undescended testes, causing hernia (which may be obvious at birth or later in development).
If the daughter does not have a condition that needs medical or surgical correction to preserve health and function (e.g., urination or waste expulsion), and not conflicted / not having issues with presenting to the world and acting as a female, even after discovery of being intersexed, why should the parents raise her as a boy? Obviously, there are several factors to consider in arriving what is the right thing to do for a given situation.
Do you ask because someone you actually know is outwardly a female with CAIS and XY karyotype or are you posing a hypothetical? ISNA may serve as a good site for you to check out, if you haven’t yet. There is a lot of helpful information there, just navigate around said site. After years of consultation with people with intersex conditions, their parents, their healthcare providers, and others, ISNA has published a Patient-Centered Model that makes sense, is practical, thoughtful and kind to individuals with intersex condition and variations thereof, discovered at birth, in childhood and adolescent years, and in later adult stage.
Sections that may shed the information you seek
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here,
and here.
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