Interview with Bishop Athanasius Schneider in Hungary

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But he himself opens the Church up to the dangerous tendencies of our time.
“When the simple faithful observe that representatives of the clergy, and even of the high clergy, neglect the Catholic faith and proclaim errors, they should pray for their conversion, they should repair the faults of the clergy through a courageous witness of the faith. Sometimes, the faithful should also advise and correct the clergy…”

For every Catherine of Siena, there are 1000 National Catholic Reporters. I know, people will say “We’re not like the Call to Action types, we’re just the opposite”. Yup.

So, overall, I think while the bishop has some very timely points of things useful for 2016, he does not take into account the extreme anti-religious authority climate of our time, and the ways bad or weak people will use his statements.
I can see your point, which is why I do not post on forums like this one as much as I used to. I just thought the Bishop Schneider made some very good points in this interview that many may not have thought about before. I agree there is a fine line, though, in what laypeople can and should say about those holding positions of authority in the Church, especially if those in authority are not preaching anything contrary to our faith.
 
The Neocatechumenal Way is a tremendous blessing to the Church, as those who have worked with it know, and its efforts are to be praised and extended.

en.radiovaticana.va/news/2015/03/06/pope_francis_addresses_members_of_the_neocatechumenal_way_/1127462

From our Holy Father in March of last year:

*Dear brothers and sisters,

Peter’s task is to confirm his brothers and sisters in the faith. So you too have wanted with this gesture to ask the Successor of Peter to confirm your call, to support your mission, to bless your charism. And I want to confirm your call, support your mission and bless your charism. I’m doing that not because I’ve been paid to: No! (laughs) I’m doing it because I want to. You will go forth in the name of Christ into the world to bring His Gospel: Christ will precede, Christ will accompany and Christ will fulfill the salvation of which you are bearers!

Together with you I greet all the Cardinals and Bishops who accompany you today and who in their dioceses support your mission. In particular I greet the initiators of the Neocatechumenal Way, Kiko Argüello and Carmen Hernández, with Father Mario Pezzi: I also would like to express my appreciation and my encouragement for the great benefit they bring to the Church through the Way. I always say that the Neocatechumenal Way does great good in the Church.

As Kiko said, our meeting today is a missionary commissioning, in obedience to what Christ asked us: “Go into the whole world and proclaim the gospel to every creature. And I am particularly glad that this mission is carried out thanks to Christian families, united in a community, who have the mission to give witness to our faith that attract people to the beauty of the Gospel, in the words of Christ: “This is how all will know that you are my disciples”(cf. Jn 13:34), and “be one and the world may believe” (cf. Jn 17:21). These communities, called by the Bishops, are formed by a priest and four or five families, with children including grown-up ones, and are a “missio ad gentes”, with a mandate to evangelize non-Christians. Non-Christians who’ve never heard about Jesus Christ and the many non-Christians who’ve forgotten who Jesus Christ was, who is Jesus Christ: baptized non-Christians but who have forgotten their faith because of secularization, worldliness and many other things. Re-awaken that faith! So, even before words, it is your witness of life that manifests the heart of Christ’s revelation: that God loves man to the point of laying down His life for us and that he was raised by the Father to give us the grace to give our lives for others. Today’s world badly needs this great message. How much solitude, how much suffering, how much distance from God in the many peripheries of Europe and America, and in many cities of Asia! Today, in every latitude, humanity greatly needs to hear that God loves us and that love is possible! These Christian communities, thanks to you missionary families, have the essential task of making this message visible. And what is this message? “Christ is risen, Christ lives. Christ lives amongst us””

You have received the strength to leave everything behind and set off for distant lands through a process of Christian initiation, experienced and lived in small communities, where you have rediscovered the immense riches of your Baptism. This is the Neocatechumenal Way, a true gift of Providence to the Church of our time, as my predecessors have already stated; especially St. John Paul II when he said: “I recognize the Neocatechumenal Way as an itinerary of Catholic formation, valid for society and for our times” (Epist. Whenever, August 30, 1990: AAS 82 [1990], 1515). The Way is based on the three dimensions of the Church which are the Word, Liturgy and Community. So obedient and constant listening to the Word of God; the Eucharistic celebration in small community after the first Vespers of Sunday, the family celebration of lauds on Sunday with all the children gathered round and sharing their faith with other brothers and sisters are at the origin of the many gifts the Lord has given to you as well as the many vocations to the priesthood and consecrated life. It is a great consolation to see all of this, because it confirms that the Spirit of God is alive and active in His Church, even today, and that He meets the needs of modern man.

On several occasions I have insisted that the Church has to move from a pastoral ministry of mere conservation to a decidedly missionary pastoral ministry (cf. ibid., N. Evangelii gaudium, 15). How often, within the Church, do we keep Jesus inside and don’t let him out. …. How often! This is the most important thing to do if we do not want the waters to stagnate within the Church. For years now the Way has been undertaking these missio ad gentes among non-Christians, for an implantatio Ecclesiae, a new presence of the Church, where the Church does not exist or is no longer able to reach people. “How much joy you give us with your presence and your activity!” - said Blessed Pope Paul VI during the very first audience with you (May 8, 1974: Teachings of Pope Paul VI, XII [1974], 407). I also make these words my own and encourage you to move forward, entrusting you to the Blessed Virgin Mary who inspired the Neocatechumenal Way. May she intercede for you with her divine Son.

My dearly beloved, may the Lord accompany you. Go forth, with my Blessing.*
Hmm, thank you for the gracious correction, Father. I"m afraid I got carried away by what I have read on various blogs about them. Second-hand information is always dangerous. :o
 
I am very sorry to read this declaration.

I count it an incredible gift to have lived in the era that I have, relative to the Church. Far from being a Church “off course,” I have lived my priesthood in what I could only describe as a profoundly extraordinary moment in the life and history of the Church. If I could have chosen a time to be a priest, I would have chosen none other than this incredible epoch.

In a span of three out of four papacies, we have two who are canonised, one who is beatified…with John Paul I’s cause for beatification moving forward and, I expect, Paul to be canonised sooner rather than later. But even without those events that are still in the future, the last time in Church history I remember two occupants of the chair of Peter being canonised in such close proximity to each others span as Bishop of Rome was Saint Leo IX and Saint Gregory VII…in the 11th century.
What a fascinating viewpoint! 👍

What our age needs is a Chesterton to counter the “talk show host” school of Catholic blogging and journalism.
 
Who says the church is off course? She has her problems, but that’s no excuse at all for being disobedient and staying away from Mass and the sacraments or scandalously badmouthing her or her clergy, bishops, and the Pope.

That is just plain sin needing a good confession and a deep conversion of heart that all people need.

Those sedes are no one to listen to. They are no better than anti-Catholic fundamentalists.
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It had to be said: sides and “resistance” types are NOT friends of the Church.
 
Hmm, thank you for the gracious correction, Father. I"m afraid I got carried away by what I have read on various blogs about them. Second-hand information is always dangerous. :o
Well…there are those who do not care for them or their particular methodology and then there are those who think quite all the world of them.

I don’t belong to them nor do I have any affiliation with them on the one hand – but, since their foundation, I have certainly had occasion to work with them on various projects and initiatives on the other hand. I respect them as a new ecclesial movement and have esteem for their accomplishments. The people who belong to the movement are genuinely remarkable and Kiko and Carmen have never been anything but estimable, from my perspective.
 
👍👍👍

It had to be said: sides and “resistance” types are NOT friends of the Church.
People who claim to expect some kind of super sainthood out of the rest of us have, in my experience, proved to be far below their own standard themselves. It’s just the way human beings are…🤷

To give up on the faith because of human frailties in others is to essentially work against your own salvation for no good reason.

Moreover, the problems the church has now…and has endured over her 2,000 year history, by no means indicate its decline.

I was struck by something our priest pointed out in his homily from the first reading at Mass today which says, ***"They strengthened the spirits of the disciples and exhorted them to persevere in the faith, saying, “It is necessary for us to undergo many hardships to enter the kingdom of God.”

***That sums it all up…hardships.
 
Commenter, you seem to understand two sides of the coin. Here’s a question for you since you mentioned St. Catherine of Siena.

Let’s just say for instance that the Church is off course at the moment. What do you think Our Lord wants the faithful Catholic to do? Join forces with the CFN/Remnant crowd? Go along with the current flow in the Church at the moment?
I onced believed the barque of Peter was offcourse. My understanding is that it is capsized. With shipwrecked survivors in the hold casting off treasures, some to lighten the load for a more comfortable voyage, others erroneously hoping to right it again. What do I think Our Lord wants the faithful to do? Pray that the barque is righted and the treasures be restored. May the church come its senses. Lord have mercy.
 
I onced believed the barque of Peter was offcourse. My understanding is that it is capsized. With shipwrecked survivors in the hold casting off treasures, some to lighten the load for a more comfortable voyage, others erroneously hoping to right it again. What do I think Our Lord wants the faithful to do? Pray that the barque is righted and the treasures be restored. May the church come its senses. Lord have mercy.
Amen. I get discouraged over continuing confusion at the world level, at what seems inadequate response by the Church to anti-Catholicism and secularism, and by what seems feeble and half hearted response to issues including abortion by my own diocese. And my relatives, who are all into relativism.

Prayer, and love people in the meantime.

In the Screwtape Letters, C. S. Lewis is writing through the personna of a Senior official in Hell, advising his nephew, a junior official. He mentions all the ways devils can use discouragement to bring a soul down. But he also describes it as risky territory for Hell also. Hell’s cause is never so endangered as when people, pushed to their limit by difficulties and frustrations, and seeing no visible sign of improvement or of God, keep on praying and believing even then.

Keep fighting the good fight of faith.
 
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