Intifada in France

[Uriel]

New York Sun Editorial
November 4, 2005

** If President Chirac thought he was going to gain peace with the Muslim community in France by taking an appeasement line in the Iraq war, it certainly looks like he miscalculated. Today the streets of the French capital are looking more like Ramallah and less like the advanced, sophisticated, gay Paree image Monsieur Chirac likes to portray to the world, and the story, which is just starting to grip the world’s attention, is full of ironies. One is tempted to suggest that Prime Minister Sharon send a note cautioning Monsieur Chirac about cycles of violence.**

Back in the 1990s, the French sneered at America for the Los Angeles riots. As the Chicago Sun-Times reported in 1992: “the consensus of French pundits is that something on the scale of the Los Angeles riots could not happen here, mainly because France is a more humane, less racist place with a much stronger commitment to social welfare programs.” President Mitterrand, the Washington Post reported in 1992, blamed the riots on the “conservative society” that Presidents Reagan and Bush had created and said France is different because it “is the country where the level of social protection is the highest in the world.”

How the times have changed. Muslims in Paris’s suburbs are out shooting at police and firefighters, burning cars and buildings, and throwing rocks at commuter trains.

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NY Sun

 

[manualman]

Perhaps stories like this demonstrate something different than you think.

Perhaps what is says is that when humans of ANY faith or creed are placed in a situation of seemingly perpetual poverty and hopelessness, they tend towards riot and disorder.

This behavior seems less an indictment of Islam than of social injustice. Unless you are trying to say all the LA riots were Farrakhan’s brand of muslims (which I highly doubt…).

 

[Uriel]

**France is one of the most liberal countries who takes care of the poor rather well.

This rioting is over the death of a juvenile criminal who was trying to escape police, and was electrocuted by a fence.**

 

[Tristan_daCunha]

No, the rioting was sparked by the electrocution of the two youths. This is similar to how the Los Angeles rioting was sparked by the beating of Rodney King. But the spark simply ingnites an already volatile situation.

The violence also has cast doubt on the success of France’s model of seeking to integrate its immigrant community — its Muslim population, at an estimated 5 million, is Western Europe’s largest — by playing down differences between ethnic groups. Rather than feeling embraced as full and equal citizens, immigrants and their French-born children often complain of police harassment and of being refused jobs, housing and opportunities.

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It would seem that France has not done well with integrating its former colonial immigrants. This is eerily similar to America’s racial problem.

 

[Zerith]

Heh. They complain about being mis-treated, though they refuse outright to integrate, they form groups and intimidate their new hosts and neighbours. This is the case in France, Belgium, Holland and very much so in Germany, and also to a lesser extent in Britain (Due to the fact, more have integrated, though not significantly enough), most other countries have a significantly smaller Islamic population, or they have integrated, and so therefore have the problem to a much lesser extent.

And people wonder why seventy per cent of Europeans oppose Turkish EU entry. (In Holland and Germany (To a lesser extent Austria) the main Islamic immigrants are Turkish, they form groups, and intimidate locals) Imagine just opening up freedom of movement for them… Though, real Turkish people IN Turkey are friendly, those that will ultimately move from their homeland, into these “Communities” of immigrants, who refuse to integrate (In a study done recently in Britain, these are the most supseptable to recruitment of terrorist organisations), with whom many of the Turkish will be relatives of, and will therefore, most likely, take on the ideology of refusing to integrate, and intimidation of the nationals of that country.

That’s a massive problem in Europe, that’s what many are “Worried” about, not only that, the rapid procreation of Muslims is so high, by 2060, it is estimated, in a country like Belgium, the Islamic population will outweigh the Belgians themselves - Ultimately, if they create an Islamic political party, it will most likely be voted in, creating the first Islamic state within Europe. (By 2100, it is estimated all countries within Europe will be Islamic, the last country to “Fall”, is estimated to be Ireland, due to the fact we are far off and that we have a very small population of Muslims.) - Though, of course, that is all speculation, by a few random newspaper articles, which were probably written to fill blank spaces.

Edit: No, it is not the governments who fail to integrate the populations, as I said, it was the refusal of the immigrant population to integrate, in many countries.

 

[Booklover]

THE EUROPEAN INTIFADA
By Alan Caruba

There is a certain schadenfreude in the scenes of the rioting in France, a gleeful malicious pleasure that comes from knowing that there is always payback for bad behaviour, whether in this world or the next.

Ironically, France is where the Islamic march up the Iberian Peninsula to conquer Europe ended in 732 AD. Had not Charles Martell stopped the Moorish general, Abd al-Rhaman and his Muslim army between Tours and Poitier, Europe and the whold of Western history would have been very different. Later, in 1492, a Christian army would recapture Granada and put an end toe the last Muslim stronghold in Spain. In 1683, Ottoman armies were defeated outside of Vienna, thus ending the efforts to conquer Europe.

One would think, if life in Muslim North Africa “the Maghreb” was so grand, why would literally millions of immigrants have sought to gain access to Europe? The former European colonies have been independent for more than a half-century. Surely they represent a far more homogeneous environment than the cold climes of Europe, but the reality is that Muslim enclaves have been growing in places like England, the Netherlands, Norway, Germany, for decades.

The difference between the Muslims who made new lives in new places and others is that they choose not to integrate ino their new societies. They remained Muslims first and last, no matter what nation they called home. Their loyalty was to the “Umma”, the great body of Islam, not a particular nation. They choose not to be English, French, or Dutch. The defined themselves in ways that insured the remained “the other” among those who took pride in their particular nation.

As Tony Blankely, a Washington Times editor and author of a new book, “The West’s Last Chance”, noted in a November 9 commentary, “This is not about Muslim poverty. It is about radical Islamist self-confidence and contempt for the West. And, it is about Western weakness”.

Muslim anger goes back to the Crusades, which lasted from 1095 to 1291. To this day, Christians are still regarded as “crusaders”, a common term among Middle Eastern Muslims, still smarting over the efforts to regain control of Jerusalem and other holy sites. Christians and Jews who live in the Middle Eest are still subject to attacks. The riots throughout France and elsewhere in Europe along with those that occurred in the United Kingdom in July, in the Netherlands, in Madrid, bespeak an ugly future if modern Muslims have their way.

France, however, has been experiencing at least half a decade of a slowy escalating Intifada waged against synogogues, kosher butchers and Jewish schools. Like the canary in the coal mine, where Jews are attacked, soon all others will be as well.

Europe, as a whole, however, has either failed or refused to read the writing on the wall. Almost universally, it expressed hostility to the nation of Israel and solidarity with Muslim nations. As it own nativeborn populations decreaded, it welcomed Muslims to the continent and the European Commission fostered a project found in the “Report of the High Advisory Group on Dialogue between Peoples and Cultures in the euro-Mediterranean Area” that created a new “ethnic group” immigrants. Even if the have lived in Europe for generations, they retain this identification and gain a special status.

The Muslims of Europe apparently wouldn’t have it any other way. Living as they do among the “crusaders”, it was, they knew, only a matter of time before they finished the job that Abd al-Rahman and the Ottoman army could not. Too many Muslims do not want to integrate with a larger society. As soon as they gain in numbers, they insist that the host nation change to become Muslim, i.e., to abandon the rules of constitutional governmand adopt sharia law.

And you wonder why many voices have been warning of the consequences now seen in the flames all over France, the terrors of England’s bus and subway systems, and the streets of the Netherlands where at least one prominent infidel, deemed an enemy of Islam, was shot to death and then had a knife plunged into his heart.

The Jihad has come to Europe. It is the same Europe in which some nations decried the American invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq as the first step to transform the Middle East sufficiently to join it to the rest of the global community; to impose a measure of freedom unknown in that backwater of history, and to permit its people to connect at last to the rest of the world.

The problems endemic to the Middle East and exported to Europe can be summed up in a single word, Islam. It is not a religion of peace. It is a warrior cult based on life in seventh century Arabia. A billion people around the world subscribe to Islam and it clearly provides spiritual comfort, but it also imposes the requirement to conquer and subordinate all other people of faith to their control.

 

[Booklover]

coNT. THE EUROPEAN INTIFADA
While Christians have evangelized the word of Christ, Muslims have spread Islam by the sword. These days an element of Muslims is using terror as their instrument of war. This is hardly an encouragement for anyone, anywhere, to convert except as an alternative to death or the slavery that comes with dhimmitude, a second-class citizenship in nations ruled by Muslims.

The tolerance, the appeasement, shown by modern Europe has not worked. It was seen as weakness and it is now being tested with a view of transforming Europe. It will not go away or diminish peacefully. One need only look at the wears waged against Israel for proof of that.

Even President Bush has been forced to change the rhetoric of “a war on terrorism” to a war on fundamentalist Islam. September 11, 2001 forced America to use its military power to join the battle. It was then joined by Great Britain and a number of nations that had lived under Soviet domination. Now one can only hope that the rest of Europe will, at last, join it as well.

Alan Caruba writes a weekly column, “Warning Signs”, posted on the internet site of the National Anxiety Center, www.anxietycenter.com

 

[cute2904]

Seems no muslim interested talking about their violent brothers in Paris. :yawn: