Intinction (from "The hour has come...")

[Aramis]

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Deacon Ed B:

It’s not a matter of how I feel. The Church at this time does not allow intinction in the Latin Rite.

bobzils:

And is it allowed in the Eastern rite?
What is the purpose of not allowing intinction?

Deacon Ed does not have it stated totally correct.

The GIRM prohibits self-done intinction in the Roman Mass, except for concelebrating priests. That is: unless you are a priest, you may not intinct the body into the blood.

The current GIRM has numerous rules for intinction: 191-193, 245, 249, 285, 287.

In the eastern churches, immersion is generally the norm. (I know the Maronites use a host similar to the Roman, and do not always intinct, and what I’ve seen shows them using a specialized paten with a small chalice, and intincting much like the Romans.)

In the normative byzantine use, the priest intincts by placing the Body into the Blood at the altar, then distributes from the chalice by taking out a small (or not-so-small) piece of the Body, now soaked in the Blood, on a spoon, and then dropping it into the recipient’s mouth. The celebrant and concelebrants do not self-intinct; their communion is under separate species.

Typically, the size of the piece of the Body is about 0.25cc to 1cc, tho as large as 8cc’s is not terrifically rare in smaller attended liturgies, and if one gets a piece of the Lamb, even a bit larger.

The Melkites allow intinction by dipping of strips of the precious body, and also by immersion of the precious body. It is done by the priest while giving communion.

Intinction is a very traditional norm in the East; it’s rarely used in the Roman Church.

 

[Brendan]

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Deacon Ed does not have it stated totally correct…

I would concur.

In a letter to the US bishops informing them of the inability for non clergy\instituted acolytes to purify vessel, he noted that intiction was available “always and everywhere”

CONGREGATIO CULTO DIVINO ET DISCIPLINA SACRAMENTORUM

Prot. n. 468/05/L Rome, 12 October 2006

1. Sometimes, however, the high number of communicants may render it inadvisable for everyone to drink from the chalice (cf. Redemptionis Sacramentum, no. 102). Intinction with reception on the tongue always and everywhere remains a legitimate option, by virtue of the general liturgical law of the Roman Rite.

ewtn.com/library/Liturgy/zlitur209.htm

 

[Sunflower15]

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Deacon Ed does not have it stated totally correct.

The GIRM prohibits self-done intinction in the Roman Mass, except for concelebrating priests. That is: unless you are a priest, you may not intinct the body into the blood.

The current GIRM has numerous rules for intinction: 191-193, 245, 249, 285, 287.

In the eastern churches, immersion is generally the norm. (I know the Maronites use a host similar to the Roman, and do not always intinct, and what I’ve seen shows them using a specialized paten with a small chalice, and intincting much like the Romans.)

In the normative byzantine use, the priest intincts by placing the Body into the Blood at the altar, then distributes from the chalice by taking out a small (or not-so-small) piece of the Body, now soaked in the Blood, on a spoon, and then dropping it into the recipient’s mouth. The celebrant and concelebrants do not self-intinct; their communion is under separate species.

Typically, the size of the piece of the Body is about 0.25cc to 1cc, tho as large as 8cc’s is not terrifically rare in smaller attended liturgies, and if one gets a piece of the Lamb, even a bit larger.

The Melkites allow intinction by dipping of strips of the precious body, and also by immersion of the precious body. It is done by the priest while giving communion.

Intinction is a very traditional norm in the East; it’s rarely used in the Roman Church.

Growing up, I went to Catholic school in Puerto Rico. When we went to Mass, the priest usually dipped the host in the wine when we had smaller services, as in a Chapel. Apparently, it is more a matter of logistics [number of people] in the US, since the priest is the only one who can do this.

 

[Aramis]

Apparently, it is more a matter of logistics [number of people] in the US, since the priest is the only one who can do this.

Education as much as logistics. Some clergy don’t realize it’s allowed (as was the case with Deacon Ed, in the thread this got pulled out from). Others think it’s reserved for the feast of Corpus Christi.

One of the parish staff at a nearby Roman parish (A religious, If I guess correct from the ever present matching blue dress and blazer with white shirt) claimed that Intinction was never permitted in the Roman Church… she back-pedalled when I pointed out that it was permitted under both the 1917 and 1983 editions of the Roman Canon Law (The CIC)… It varied widely in use in the US. She’d never encountered it. in some 40+ years of her memory, it was something she’d never seen.

Many of the errant beliefs fellow Catholics hold are due to not having been taught better, nor having been taught where to look!