Invincible ignorance/material heresy

[diggerdomer]

As (then) Cardinal Ratzinger says in the book, the CCC is authoritative as a whole.

I’m not a Protestant. I accept the authority of the Church. Since you agree that the teachings of the CCC derive their authority from outside the CCC; then you should see my position on BOD/BOB as acceptable since there are no official declarations outside the CCC requiring the assent of faith. I would drop everything and submit the instant the Church declared either BOD/BOB (or both) to be binding on the faithful.

Until then, it is permissible, and well within reason (of faith) to believe that God would grant persons the actual reception of the Sacrament of Baptism, even if it required a miracle. I’m not saying (and have never said) that God can’t save anyone. I maintain that God can save whomever He pleases, and that He would, in His Divine Providence grant them Sacramental Baptism before their death.

You can’t prove BOB/BOD. There are no documented cases. It’s a waste of time to even consider it; no one can rely on BOD/BOB. You can’t go tell someone, “oh, don’t worry, baptism of desire/blood will save you”

Yet I can start giving you plenty of examples of miracles where Saints raised the dead in order to allow them to receive the Sacrament of Baptism and/or Sacramental absolution so that they could be saved.

But there are declarations outside the CCC requiring the assent of faith.

Namely, the Creeds. Which include reference to baptism.

 

[AnneElliot]

But there are declarations outside the CCC requiring the assent of faith.

Namely, the Creeds. Which include reference to baptism.

The Creeds do not say anything about ‘baptism of desire’ or ‘baptism of blood’. In fact, the Creeds say what I have been preaching-- namely, that there is ONE Baptism. The Sacrament of Baptism.

“I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, and born of the Father before all ages. God of God, light of light, true God of true God. Begotten not made, consubstantial to the Father, by whom all things were made. Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven. And was incarnate of the Holy Ghost and of the Virgin Mary and was made man; was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, suffered and was buried; and the third day rose again according to the Scriptures. And ascended into heaven, sits at the right hand of the Father, and shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead, of whose Kingdom there shall be no end. And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceeds from the Father (and the Son), who together with the Father and the Son is to be adored and glorified, who spoke by the Prophets. And one holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. I confess one baptism for the remission of sins. And I look for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.”
newadvent.org/cathen/11049a.htm