=SGT ROCK: On defining the dogma, defining infallibly, not elaborating, outside the church there is no salvation, why was this exception of the invincably ignorant always left out?
Furthermore, it seems contrary to the dogma that “no one,” (Pope Pius IV; Benedict XIV; Pius IX) “nobody at all,” (Innocent III) “nobody, even if he shed his blood in the name of Christ”(Eugene IV) can be saved as a non‐Catholic.
So, how does this new teaching reconcile with prior infallible teachings which exclude this particular exception?
God Bless
It is a FACT that neither a doctrine or dogma can “be changed.” However our is a living Church.
1Tim.3: 15 “if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.”
One must accept three facts:
- When this Doctine was defined the ONLY Church was the CC. The Protestant Revoluation had not yet either taken palce or was forseen.
- While neither Doctrine or Dogma can be altered or deleated; our understanding in the light of a living Church" staying relevant to all; all of the time of a dogma or doctrine can and must take place. Why else does the Church have Theologians if as you say; everything is known, everything is already decided?
- Further understanding is possible so long as it does not contradict the defined dogma or doctrine. Such is th case in the issue of salvtaion Through the CC.
The current undestanding and TEACHING of our CC on this issue is
- All salvation continues to flow through th CC, which is the One [anONLY] TRUE and COMPLETE Faith.
- God who does not think as we do: Isa. 55: 8 -9 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, says the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.”
- Faith which requires both Wisdom and Understanding are like GRACE; allocated by God to whom it pleases Him to give these gifts; and withholds them from those He choses.
Luke.10: 21 "In that same hour he rejoiced in the Holy Spirit and said, “I thank thee, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to babes; yea, Father, **for such was thy gracious will.” **
**Heb.9: 12 **"he entered once **for all **into the Holy Place, taking not the blood of goats and calves but his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. [Yes I know Redeemption and Salvation are NOT the same].
1Pet.1: 17 “And if you invoke as Father him who judges each one impartially according to his deeds, conduct yourselves with fear throughout the time of your exile.”
**Heb.6: 10 **“For God is not so unjust as to overlook your work and the love which you showed for his sake in serving the saints, as you still do.”
**Phil.2: 12 **“Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
**Rom.2: 6 **“ For he will render to every man according to his works”
By virtue of a “common Baptism”; with water in the name of the Trinity; and because we share a common beleive in the one TRUE Trinue God"; salvation** is possible**; on the same conditions of being free from Mortal Sin, being Baptized and Believing in the Blessed Trinity, and having obeyed the Commandments and with chairatable works.
**Catechism: **
819 “Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth” are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: “the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements.” ***Christ’s Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, ***whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him, and are in themselves calls to “Catholic unity.”
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
**Canon Law: 749 §2 **The College of Bishops also possesses infallibility in its teaching when the Bishops, gathered together in an Ecumenical Council and exercising their magisterium as teachers and judges of faith and morals, definitively declare for the universal Church a doctrine to be held concerning faith or morals; likewise, when the Bishops, dispersed throughout the world but maintaining the bond of union among themselves and with the successor of Peter, together with the same Roman Pontiff authentically teach matters of faith or morals, and are agreed that a particular teaching is definitively to be held."
