Invitatory Antiphon at Morning Prayer

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Silly question, but I am a newbie (currently on RCIA) and trying to learn my way round the rubrics.

I currently go to Morning Prayer, and have just got the Morning & Evening Prayer book (copyrighted 1976). The book says the response to the invitatory is “And we shall praise your name”. As everyone uses “And my mouth will proclaim your praise”, it obviously changed at some point. Can anyone enlighten me as to when, and whether any other changes were made at that time? After 3 months attending MP, that seems to be the only thing different so far but I want to make sure I’m properly in step with things.

Thanks
 
dnicoll said:
Silly question, but I am a newbie (currently on RCIA) and trying to learn my way round the rubrics.

I currently go to Morning Prayer, and have just got the Morning & Evening Prayer book (copyrighted 1976). The book says the response to the invitatory is “And we shall praise your name”. As everyone uses “And my mouth will proclaim your praise”, it obviously changed at some point. Can anyone enlighten me as to when, and whether any other changes were made at that time? After 3 months attending MP, that seems to be the only thing different so far but I want to make sure I’m properly in step with things.

Thanks
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I opened my book to the the Ordinary. The responce is “and my mouth will proclaim your praise.”
 
dnicoll said:
Silly question, but I am a newbie (currently on RCIA) and trying to learn my way round the rubrics.

I currently go to Morning Prayer, and have just got the Morning & Evening Prayer book (copyrighted 1976). The book says the response to the invitatory is “And we shall praise your name”. As everyone uses “And my mouth will proclaim your praise”, it obviously changed at some point. Can anyone enlighten me as to when, and whether any other changes were made at that time? After 3 months attending MP, that seems to be the only thing different so far but I want to make sure I’m properly in step with things.

Thanks
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I do not believe it has changed. It should be:

V/. Lord, open our lips
R/. And we shall praise your name.
 
Perhaps this is a difference between the American English and British English translations? My one-volume Christian Prayer specifies: “And my mouth will proclaim your praise.”
 
Everything I have, and the on-line sources I use have * “And my mouth will proclaim your praise.”

*For some reason “And my tongue shall proclaim your praise” echos in the back of my mind. Have no idea where I am remembering that from.
 
dnicoll said:
Silly question, but I am a newbie (currently on RCIA) and trying to learn my way round the rubrics.

I currently go to Morning Prayer, and have just got the Morning & Evening Prayer book (copyrighted 1976). The book says the response to the invitatory is “And we shall praise your name”. As everyone uses “And my mouth will proclaim your praise”, it obviously changed at some point. Can anyone enlighten me as to when, and whether any other changes were made at that time? After 3 months attending MP, that seems to be the only thing different so far but I want to make sure I’m properly in step with things.

Thanks
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Who is the book published by?
 
dnicoll said:
Silly question, but I am a newbie (currently on RCIA) and trying to learn my way round the rubrics.

I currently go to Morning Prayer, and have just got the Morning & Evening Prayer book (copyrighted 1976). The book says the response to the invitatory is “And we shall praise your name”. As everyone uses “And my mouth will proclaim your praise”, it obviously changed at some point. Can anyone enlighten me as to when, and whether any other changes were made at that time? After 3 months attending MP, that seems to be the only thing different so far but I want to make sure I’m properly in step with things.

Thanks
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Well you are right for the UK translation. Perhaps your companions are using the ICEL books or something inspired by that, which is a different translation.
 
Hm. Looks like the ICEL got this particular one better than the UK one then.

You should use the response as printed in your official book of course, but it seems that ICEL’s “And my mouth will proclaim your praise” is the more accurate translation of “Et os meum annuntiabit laudem tuam” than “And we shall praise your name”.

Are you certain you’re using the official Collins book?
 
Elizium23 said:
Perhaps this is a difference between the American English and British English translations? My one-volume Christian Prayer specifies: “And my mouth will proclaim your praise.”
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That’s probably why our version is different. I don’t know if US 4-volume LOTH is the ICEL version. The 3-volume Divine Office we use in England is a version produced jointly by the bishops’ conferences of Australia, England and Wales, Ireland, New Zealand, and Scotland; it’s not ICEL.
 
porthos11 said:
Hm. Looks like the ICEL got this particular one better than the UK one then.

You should use the response as printed in your official book of course, but it seems that ICEL’s “And my mouth will proclaim your praise” is the more accurate translation of “Et os meum annuntiabit laudem tuam” than “And we shall praise your name”.

Are you certain you’re using the official Collins book?
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I am using: Daily Prayer from the Divine Office. Published in 1974 by Collins (London). The ISBN is 00-599504-03. It says (p. 7):
Introduction to the Daily Office This is used at the beginning of the day. V/.Lord, open our lips. R/. And we shall praise your name. The Office of Lauds When the Introduction to the Daily Office is not used, this Office begins as follows. V/. O God, come to our aid. R/. O Lord, make haste to help us.
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Matthew_Holford said:
I am using: Daily Prayer from the Divine Office. Published in 1974 by Collins (London). The ISBN is 00-599504-03. It says (p. 7):
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Yah, that looks right. That would be the one-volume version more or less equivalent to the U.S. “Christian Prayer”. Seems like you’re using the correct response for the UK edition. I wonder what the others are using then, but unless I’m wrong, the U.S. edition is not approved for use in the UK.
 
porthos11 said:
Yah, that looks right. That would be the one-volume version more or less equivalent to the U.S. “Christian Prayer”. Seems like you’re using the correct response for the UK edition. I wonder what the others are using then, but unless I’m wrong, the U.S. edition is not approved for use in the UK.
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Quite, it is the authorised version for England and Wales. It’s not possible to group the whole of the UK as one with regards to the liturgy. The UK has three separate bishops’ conferences. Having said that, the liturgy is often the same. As you say, I’m certain the US version of the Office isn’t permitted for public use here. Of course, I’m sure someone could use it for private recitation as a personal devotion.
 
Thanks everyone for your contributions. :blessyou:

To clarify I am using “Morning and Evening Prayer”, ISBN 9787-0-00-721133-3, published by Collins, copyright 1976, which is an excerpt from The Divine Office copyright 1974 by the hierarchies of Australia, England and Wales, Ireland, and is a translation of Liturgia Horarum approved by the Episcopal Conferences of Australia, England and Wales, Ireland, Scotland and various oher Commonwealth countries.

The rubrics in my copy of Morning & Evening Prayer says “The whole Office is normally begun with an invitatory. This consists in the verse* Lord, open our lips: And we shall praise your name*” (para 3). It then says “Morning Prayer and Evening Prayer begin with the introductory verse O God, come to our aid: O Lord, make haste to help us” (para 9) although this introductory is not used when ine invitatory immediately precedes Lauds. This is as it is quoted in the General Instruction on the Liturgy of the Hours liturgyoffice.org.uk/Resources/Rites/GILH.pdf.

There are occasions during the Proper that different invitatory antiphons are used but these are not general and they don’t of course reflect the change I am asking about.

Hey ho - one of the Mysteries of Faith perhaps. :highprayer:
 
dnicoll said:
… although this introductory is not used when ine invitatory immediately precedes Lauds.
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Are you sure? When the Invitatory precedes Lauds aren’t the same versicle and response used? It’s the invitatory psalm and its antiphon that become optional before Lauds.
 
Matthew_Holford said:
So, the complete Invitatory is not omitted if one is saying it’s opening versicle and response.
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The invitatory (Invitatorium) consists of two parts: “Lord open my lips…”, and the invitatory psalm with its antiphon.

If the Invitatory precedes the Office of Readings then both parts are required.

If the Invitatory precedes Lauds, then only the first part “Lord, open my lips…” is mandatory; the Invitatory psalm and its antiphon may be omitted.

When the Invitatory is used, whether the first part only, or both parts, the verse “God come to our assistance…” (ritum initialem or Opening Ritual) is not used, it is replaced by the “Lord, open our lips…” verse.

The Invitatory is to be used at the Office that customarily begins the day’s prayer cycle, either the Office of Readings or Lauds. It is NOT used at any other Office even if it is the first Office of your day, at is not customary to begin the daily cycle with any other office than the OOR or Lauds.

So for instance if you said the OOR (or Vigils in a monastery) anticipated the previous evening, you’d start the OOR with “God come to our assistance…”, and Lauds with “Lord open my lips…” and optionally followed by the Inv. psalm+ant. Conversely if you said the OOR first thing upon rising or in the wee hours, you’d start it with “Lord, open my lips…” followed by the Inv. psalm+ant, and then at Lauds you’d say the Opening Ritual “God, come to my assistance…”

Hope that clears it up.
 
OraLabora said:
The invitatory (Invitatorium) consists of two parts: “Lord open my lips…”, and the invitatory psalm with its antiphon.

If the Invitatory precedes the Office of Readings then both parts are required.

If the Invitatory precedes Lauds, then only the first part “Lord, open my lips…” is mandatory; the Invitatory psalm and its antiphon may be omitted.

When the Invitatory is used, whether the first part only, or both parts, the verse “God come to our assistance…” (ritum initialem or Opening Ritual) is not used, it is replaced by the “Lord, open our lips…” verse.

The Invitatory is to be used at the Office that customarily begins the day’s prayer cycle, either the Office of Readings or Lauds. It is NOT used at any other Office even if it is the first Office of your day, at is not customary to begin the daily cycle with any other office than the OOR or Lauds.

So for instance if you said the OOR (or Vigils in a monastery) anticipated the previous evening, you’d start the OOR with “God come to our assistance…”, and Lauds with “Lord open my lips…” and optionally followed by the Inv. psalm+ant. Conversely if you said the OOR first thing upon rising or in the wee hours, you’d start it with “Lord, open my lips…” followed by the Inv. psalm+ant, and then at Lauds you’d say the Opening Ritual “God, come to my assistance…”

Hope that clears it up.
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Thank you but there was nothing to clear up; I know that.
 
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