Invited to take communion at service

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aidanbradypop said:
Only those that are baptized can take Holy Eucharist. Also, I am sorry you feel that it is not the true Body and Blood of Christ.

To someone that is used to open communion, they may find it hard for someone to refuse but I have noticed other Episcopalians not going up. If the person is offended by you stating that you are Catholic and your Church teaches against intercommunion then that is on them. I would not be offended if a Catholic did not take communion on Sunday. I would actually find it more disrespectfully if they did know that the CC teaches against such a thing.

The Episcopal Church has the valid Sacrament of Holy Eucharist. 👍
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And of Confession. But the issue would be, au fond, do they have the necessary ministers of those sacraments. That is, Orders.

RCs say no. Anglicans, with a lot of nuancing, say yes.

GKC
 
GKC said:
And of Confession. But the issue would be, au fond, do they have the necessary ministers of those sacraments. That is, Orders.

RCs say no. Anglicans, with a lot of nuancing, say yes.

GKC
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Correct. If one is an Anglican then one would believe so and probably not really pay much attention to what the RCC states of such orders.

Correct?
 
And I would not expect you to state otherwise since you are in communion with Rome. 👍
 
Rome has been silent about whether you Anglicans have valid priests or not. The one thing we can definitely say is that **if **you do, it is by way of the Old Catholics.
 
Peter_J said:
Rome has been silent about whether you Anglicans have valid priests or not. The one thing we can definitely say is that **if **you do, it is by way of the Old Catholics.
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Some but not all. I know a parish priest in TEC that was once a Roman Catholic priest. What do you do with that one? 🤷
 
The subject of inter-communion raises objections from some Christians yet the practice is most definitively increasing. Full communion between Anglican/Episcopalian and Lutheran has been the norm for many years… The Lutheran-Catholic Dialogue affirms the Real Presence and Salvation in each others Mass.

Religious communities have been active in conducting retreats such as Cursillos where Anglican, Lutheran and Catholic commune together.
 
Oldtimer_7 said:
If a Lutheran does not take communion in our own church, we do not usually ask the reason for the decision. If we don’t ask our own, it certainly is not hospitable to ask a visitor.
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I agree. :thumbsup:That is how it is at my United Methodist church.
A simple “no, not today” should be sufficient for anyone. To press another person is, IMO, anything but good manners.🤷 Ah, well, some people.🤷🤷
 
Peter_J said:
Rome has been silent about whether you Anglicans have valid priests or not. The one thing we can definitely say is that **if **you do, it is by way of the Old Catholics.
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I would consider that an odd wording of the ruling. Apostolicae Curae says Anglican orders are null and void, period, as the Prez says. Logic, following on Ott, says that possibly some impact may result from the Dutch Touch. Maybe. Rome says nothing, on the subject, that I can find. Hence, it is an interesting idea, but no reason to suspect it has any applicability. That is, until Rome makes a commitment on the OCs/PNCCs and Anglicans, I don’t conclude anything.

GKC
 
aidanbradypop said:
Correct. If one is an Anglican then one would believe so and probably not really pay much attention to what the RCC states of such orders.

Correct?
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True. Or one can adopt Apostolicae Curae as a hobby, and study on the thing.

GKC
 
concretecamper said:
I would never base any decision on what a Religious Ed teacher says. I have know some really sound teachers and I have known some that would make you shake your head in disbelief.

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I’ll be very disappointed if that wasn’t a deliberate pun! 😛
 
Peter_J said:
😦

Just imagine if you, a Roman Catholic, heard someone say “I don’t believe that Roman Catholics have valid sacraments, so I can take your Eucharist and treat it like ordinary bread and wine.”
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But this does not follow, because Methodists do not believe about the Sacrament what Catholics do.

The argument for Catholics receiving in Protestant churches would be that Catholics may quite easily confess Protestant Eucharist to be what Protestant churches of broadly Reformed heritage believe it to be: somewhere between a symbol of Jesus’ body and blood and a means for spiritual communion with the glorified Body and Blood of Jesus.

The difficult cases are the Lutherans and the Anglo-Catholics. As regards the Anglo-Catholics, they are clearly in denial about the nature of Anglicanism. Anglicanism is historically Protestant, and I don’t find it particularly hard to accept that the presence of Christ in Anglican churches may be (leaving the “Dutch Touch” out of it) the same as the presence of Christ in other Protestant churches. My problem is, in a sense, much deeper. My faith in the Real Presence was initially nourished by the practice of weekly communion in Plymouth Brethren assemblies in Romania–a tradition than which it is hard to imagine any more “low church.” (Yet I have read of PB folks who have similarly come to believe in the Real Presence–the same with the Restorationist churches.)

Note: I recognize that your reading of canon law is correct. My problem is that my conscience is troubled at the thought of breaking communion with those with whom I am currently in communion, but also by my current lack of communion with Rome. This is a dilemma with which I have struggled for years.

Edwin
 
Contarini said:
But this does not follow, because Methodists do not believe about the Sacrament what Catholics do.
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I agree that Methodists do not believe about the Sacraments what Catholics do; my objection still stands, however: from the Methodist p.o.v. someone shouldn’t take their Holy Communion and treat it as if it is just ordinary bread and juice.
 
Peter_J said:
I agree that Methodists do not believe about the Sacraments what Catholics do; my objection still stands, however: from the Methodist p.o.v. someone shouldn’t take their Holy Communion and treat it as if it is just ordinary bread and juice.
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Thank you. You’re absolutely right. It is upsetting.

Actually, I think that we all (Christians, of whatever group) need to get back to a less “casual, whatever” attitude toward Holy Communion in other folks’ churches. It’s gone far beyond “hospitable” and straight to downright:( sloppy thinking.
 
Zooey said:
Thank you. You’re absolutely right. It is upsetting.

Actually, I think that we all (Christians, of whatever group) need to get back to a less “casual, whatever” attitude toward Holy Communion in other folks’ churches. It’s gone far beyond “hospitable” and straight to downright:( sloppy thinking.
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Methodists are in full communion with some Lutherans in the U.S. 👍
 
Peter_J said:
I agree that Methodists do not believe about the Sacraments what Catholics do; my objection still stands, however: from the Methodist p.o.v. someone shouldn’t take their Holy Communion and treat it as if it is just ordinary bread and juice.
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Agreed.

What I have more trouble with is why it would be wrong for a Catholic to receive communion in a Protestant church while believing what Protestants believe about Protestant Eucharist. It’s not at all clear to me that even relatively high-church Protestants who believe in a real spiritual presence affirm anything about their Eucharist that a Catholic is required to deny.

Edwin
 
But Protestants don’t claim their Eucharist to be valid in the Catholic sense. Anglicans sort of do, depending on the Anglicans . . . . :confused:

And the language about false ecumenism and false sense of communion isn’t very helpful, because you don’t explain what makes it false.

Most Protestants see the Eucharist in terms of faith in Christ, not commitment to a particular ecclesial community. Catholics seem to think that if one receives communion in a Protestant church, one is thereby saying that one accepts all the teachings of that church or acknowledges it to be fully part of the Catholic Church or something of that sort. But I think that’s a misunderstanding.

It’s hard for me to resist the appeal of the Protestant argument, “This is the Lord’s table, and all those who believe in Jesus are welcome.” Protestants (including Anglicans) seem to me to have the high ground here. I know that there is something real going on in Protestant (not just Anglican) Eucharists. To deny that leave me with no reason for believing in Catholicism, or for that matter any form of Christianity.

Edwin
 
GKC said:
That would be my take on it.

GKC
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And in an Anglo-Catholic context that would be correct, since Anglo-Catholics claim (incorrectly, in my longstanding opinion) that Anglicanism is fully Catholic (I’m less interested in the technical question of valid Orders than I am with the evident fact that Anglicanism is historically Protestant and has abandoned key parts of Catholic doctrine as taught before the Reformation by both East and West, although Anglo-Catholics have inconsistently and for the most part unofficially tried to recover this heritage).
 
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