Inviting Jesus into your heart

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ltwin said:
That’s also evangelical code for, “I have a wife, 3 kids, and a mortgage and I need to pastor a church that can provide me a better living” 😉
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It plainly does mean that sometimes. Unfortunately this was not one of them. He had been 10 years in the church has two kids in college and only after starting to have conviction to get off the once saved always saved kick and teach a deeper message did they let him go. He had to serve tables at the IHOP while trying to find another pastor job. It was really sort of disgusting. In public throwing going away parties and thank yous, but behind closed doors the senior pastors and elders ran him out and left him hanging.
 
ltwin said:
That’s also evangelical code for, “I have a wife, 3 kids, and a mortgage and I need to pastor a church that can provide me a better living” 😉
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This is why it is so refreshing to see a deeper form of evangelicalism practiced through these forums. I was caught in a nasty bubble of ev free churches personally, so I am glad to know maybe my situation is not the norm. Unfortunately without Magesterial authority churches are free to do this stuff.
 
PRmerger said:
At any rate, do you have a response?

The practice of inviting Jesus into one’s heart and thereby achieving one’s salvation is an innovation that is borne out of reading the Bible without the guidance of the guardian of Truth: the Catholic Church.
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Indifferently said:
yawn

I agree with the literal grammatical sense of your post. It is the Church which interprets scripture.
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:eek: Wow… If you didn’t want a Catholic opinion, why did you come to Catholic Answers to ask the question? 🤷

Personally, I pray the so-called sinner’s prayer nearly everyday. It’s sort of a combination of an examination of conscience and a spiritual communion - excellent Catholic practice!

Gertie
 
Gertabelle said:
:eek: Wow… If you didn’t want a Catholic opinion, why did you come to Catholic Answers to ask the question? 🤷

Personally, I pray the so-called sinner’s prayer nearly everyday. It’s sort of a combination of an examination of conscience and a spiritual communion - excellent Catholic practice!

Gertie
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That’s right!!! Everyday and several times a day, I wonder too much :o.
 
Stay with me Lord (Padre Pio)

Stay with me, Lord, for it is necessary to have You present so that I do not forget You. You know how easily I abandon You.

Stay with me Lord, because I am weak, and I need Your strength, so that I may not fall so often.

Stay with me Lord, for You are my life, and without You, I am without fervor.

Stay with me Lord, for You are my light, and without you, I am in darkness.

Stay with me Lord, to show me Your will.

Stay with me Lord, so that I hear Your voice and follow You.

Stay with me Lord, for I desire to love you very much, and always be in Your Company.

Stay with me Lord, if You wish me to be faithful to You.

Stay with me Lord, for as poor as my soul is, I want it to be a place of consolation for You, a nest of Love.

Stay with me, Jesus, for it is getting late, and the day is coming to a close, and life passes, death, judgment, eternity approach. It is necessary to renew my strength, so that I will not stop along the way and for that, I need You. It is getting late and death approaches. I fear the darkness, the temptations, the dryness, the cross, the sorrows. O how I need You, my Jesus, in this night of exile.

Stay with me tonight, Jesus, in life with all its dangers, I need You.

Let me recognize You as Your disciples did at the breaking of bread, so that the Eucharistic Communion be the light which disperses the darkness, the force which sustains me, the unique joy of my heart.

Stay with me Lord, because at the hour of my death, I want to remain united to you, if not by Communion, at least by grace and love.

Stay with me Jesus, I do not ask for divine consolation because I do not merit it, but the gift of Your presence, oh yes, I ask this of You.

Stay with me Lord, for it is You alone I look for, Your Love, Your Grace, Your Will, Your Heart, Your Spirit, because I love You and ask no other reward but to love You more and more.

With a firm love, I will love You with all my heart while on earth and continue to love You perfectly during all eternity. Amen.

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Isaiah45_9 said:
Stay with me Lord (Padre Pio)

Stay with me, Lord, for it is necessary to have You present so that I do not forget You. You know how easily I abandon You.

Stay with me Lord, because I am weak, and I need Your strength, so that I may not fall so often.

Stay with me Lord, for You are my life, and without You, I am without fervor.

Stay with me Lord, for You are my light, and without you, I am in darkness.

Stay with me Lord, to show me Your will.

Stay with me Lord, so that I hear Your voice and follow You.

Stay with me Lord, for I desire to love you very much, and always be in Your Company.

Stay with me Lord, if You wish me to be faithful to You.

Stay with me Lord, for as poor as my soul is, I want it to be a place of consolation for You, a nest of Love.

Stay with me, Jesus, for it is getting late, and the day is coming to a close, and life passes, death, judgment, eternity approach. It is necessary to renew my strength, so that I will not stop along the way and for that, I need You. It is getting late and death approaches. I fear the darkness, the temptations, the dryness, the cross, the sorrows. O how I need You, my Jesus, in this night of exile.

Stay with me tonight, Jesus, in life with all its dangers, I need You.

Let me recognize You as Your disciples did at the breaking of bread, so that the Eucharistic Communion be the light which disperses the darkness, the force which sustains me, the unique joy of my heart.

Stay with me Lord, because at the hour of my death, I want to remain united to you, if not by Communion, at least by grace and love.

Stay with me Jesus, I do not ask for divine consolation because I do not merit it, but the gift of Your presence, oh yes, I ask this of You.

Stay with me Lord, for it is You alone I look for, Your Love, Your Grace, Your Will, Your Heart, Your Spirit, because I love You and ask no other reward but to love You more and more.

With a firm love, I will love You with all my heart while on earth and continue to love You perfectly during all eternity. Amen.

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I’m going to copy this and hang it next to my bed. Amazing. Thanks for this.
 
Isaiah45_9 said:
Stay with me Lord (Padre Pio)

Stay with me, Lord, for it is necessary to have You present so that I do not forget You. You know how easily I abandon You.

Stay with me Lord, because I am weak, and I need Your strength, so that I may not fall so often.

Stay with me Lord, for You are my life, and without You, I am without fervor.

Stay with me Lord, for You are my light, and without you, I am in darkness.

Stay with me Lord, to show me Your will.

Stay with me Lord, so that I hear Your voice and follow You.

Stay with me Lord, for I desire to love you very much, and always be in Your Company.

Stay with me Lord, if You wish me to be faithful to You.

Stay with me Lord, for as poor as my soul is, I want it to be a place of consolation for You, a nest of Love.

Stay with me, Jesus, for it is getting late, and the day is coming to a close, and life passes, death, judgment, eternity approach. It is necessary to renew my strength, so that I will not stop along the way and for that, I need You. It is getting late and death approaches. I fear the darkness, the temptations, the dryness, the cross, the sorrows. O how I need You, my Jesus, in this night of exile.

Stay with me tonight, Jesus, in life with all its dangers, I need You.

Let me recognize You as Your disciples did at the breaking of bread, so that the Eucharistic Communion be the light which disperses the darkness, the force which sustains me, the unique joy of my heart.

Stay with me Lord, because at the hour of my death, I want to remain united to you, if not by Communion, at least by grace and love.

Stay with me Jesus, I do not ask for divine consolation because I do not merit it, but the gift of Your presence, oh yes, I ask this of You.

Stay with me Lord, for it is You alone I look for, Your Love, Your Grace, Your Will, Your Heart, Your Spirit, because I love You and ask no other reward but to love You more and more.

With a firm love, I will love You with all my heart while on earth and continue to love You perfectly during all eternity. Amen.

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I like that, Isaiah. It very much reminds me of the old Anglican hymn, “Abide With Me”.
 
Gertabelle said:
:eek: Wow… If you didn’t want a Catholic opinion, why did you come to Catholic Answers to ask the question? 🤷

Personally, I pray the so-called sinner’s prayer nearly everyday. It’s sort of a combination of an examination of conscience and a spiritual communion - excellent Catholic practice!

Gertie
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I took Indifferently’s question to be a request for specific information—how did the “sinner’s prayer” originate, and was he understanding it correctly—rather than just a request for a Catholic opinion.

I read here to learn new things. I already know that Catholics consider much of what Protestants do— particularly what Evangelicals do—to be wrong. I’ve heard it a million times. It’s discouraging when I click on a thread hoping to learn something or to contribute information, and find the second post has already gone right to the “EVANGELICALS ARE WRONG” stamp without addressing the thread question in a detailed, informative way. I tend to yawn myself and move on to a thread where I can learn something I don’t already know.
 
AbideWithMe said:
I took Indifferently’s question to be a request for specific information—how did the “sinner’s prayer” originate, and was he understanding it correctly—rather than just a request for a Catholic opinion.
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And I gave a very proper, direct, and appropriate answer: it came from reading the Bible in isolation of the Church which gave us this Bible.

That answer was not liked.

Although its validity was not refuted.
 
PRmerger said:
And I gave a very proper, direct, and appropriate answer: it came from reading the Bible in isolation of the Church which gave us this Bible.

That answer was not liked.

Although its validity was not refuted.
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I didn’t see it as a matter or liking or not liking your question, PRmerger. Your answer, IMO, kind of jumped the gun. It went right to the position that “sinner’s prayers” must be considered heretical by Catholics, without examining if that’s really the case. It didn’t answer Indifferently’s question regarding the history of the practice, except in the broadest, most pre-emptive way that stifles real learning and dialogue. It didn’t answer Indifferently’s question regarding whether or not he was understanding the practice correctly; the answer to that needed to come before further judgment on the practice, IMO. Useful, informative answers were later provided by Itwin, EIF5A, and others.
 
AbideWithMe said:
I didn’t see it as a matter or liking or not liking your question, PRmerger. Your answer, IMO, kind of jumped the gun. It went right to the position that “sinner’s prayers” must be considered heretical by Catholics, without examining if that’s really the case.
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LOL!

I hope you see the irony in this. In objecting to this alleged jumping of the gun, it appears that you have done so here. In a way that is almost a caricature.

If you can find any place, at all, ever, that I have ever pronounced the sinner’s prayer to be heretical, then please post it here.

I have simply maintained that it is a practice that comes from reading the Bible outside of the lens of the Church which gave us this Bible.
 
PRmerger said:
LOL!

I hope you see the irony in this. In objecting to this alleged jumping of the gun, it appears that you have done so here. In a way that is almost a caricature.

If you can find any place, at all, ever, that I have ever pronounced the sinner’s prayer to be heretical, then please post it here.

I have simply maintained that it is a practice that comes from reading the Bible outside of the lens of the Church which gave us this Bible.
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PRmerger said:
At any rate, do you have a response?

The practice of inviting Jesus into one’s heart and thereby achieving one’s salvation is an innovation that is borne out of reading the Bible without the guidance of the guardian of Truth: the Catholic Church.
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Well, if we read the Bible “without the guidance of the guardian of the Truth” it seems to me you are surely implying our practices are misguided, mistaken, and heretical.
 
AbideWithMe said:
Well, if we read the Bible “without the guidance of the guardian of the Truth” it seems to me you are surely implying our practices are misguided, mistaken, and heretical.
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Perhaps you might want to look up what the word “heresy” means, at least when it comes from a Catholic.

Please do not add calumny where it was not inserted.
 
PRmerger said:
Perhaps you might want to look up what the word “heresy” means, at least when it comes from a Catholic.

Please do not add calumny where it was not inserted.
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PRmerger, I do understand what Catholics mean by heresy, and that’s why I was careful to say “heretical” in reference
to the practice, rather than “heretic” in reference to the people.

As I understood you, you wouldn’t think a practice born out of our separation from Catholicism was correct, would you?
 
AbideWithMe said:
PRmerger, I do understand what Catholics mean by heresy, and that’s why I was careful to say “heretical” in reference
to the practice, rather than “heretic” in reference to the people.

As I understood you, you wouldn’t think a practice born out of our separation from Catholicism was correct, would you?
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Let’s make sure we are talking about the same thing here.

The Catholic Church proclaims that
Sola Scriptura = heresy.

On that we are agreed, yes?

But we are talking about “inviting Jesus into your heart” through the Sinner’s Prayer (whatever that is, as it seems to be different for different denominations).

For that to be heretical, it needs to be contrary to a teaching of the Church.

Could you please proffer what that teaching is?
 
PRmerger said:
Let’s make sure we are talking about the same thing here.

The Catholic Church proclaims that
Sola Scriptura = heresy.

On that we are agreed, yes?

But we are talking about “inviting Jesus into your heart” through the Sinner’s Prayer (whatever that is, as it seems to be different for different denominations).

For that to be heretical, it needs to be contrary to a teaching of the Church.

Could you please proffer what that teaching is?
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I have to start working, but, are you asking me for a Catholic teaching, or an Evangelical teaching?

Let me ask you this: Do you believe saying a “sinner’s prayer” as Evangelicals do–not as a magical incantation, but as a way to guide people to “invite Jesus into their heart” and begin a relationship as a child of God–is perfectly in line with Catholic teaching?
 
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