Ireland sued by EU for not allowing ABORTION!

[Lisa4Catholics]

Last Updated: Thursday, 11 August 2005, 08:38 GMT 09:38 UK
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4140992.stm

**Ireland Sued by European Union for not legalizing ABORTION

By James Helm
BBC correspondent in Dublin

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Every year thousands of Irish women go abroad for abortions

Three Irish women are taking Ireland to the European Court of Human Rights over their country’s laws on abortion. **

The Irish Family Planning Association is supporting the case of the women, who have all had abortions in the UK within the past year.

The association estimates that 6,000 Irish women travel to the UK each year to have abortions.

Under Irish law, abortion remains illegal unless the mother’s life would be in real danger without it.

The Irish Family Planning Association says it is campaigning to make abortion safe and legal in Ireland, and it will meet political leaders to discuss the matter over the next few weeks.

The three women, who have not been named, claim Ireland’s laws violate articles within the European Convention on Human Rights, and that Irish law on abortion “jeopardises their health and well-being”.

The campaign was criticised by groups opposed to abortion in what is a predominantly Roman Catholic country. There have been some calls for a fresh referendum aimed at preventing the government from changing the law on abortion, although the government says it has no plans to introduce any legislation on what is a highly sensitive issue.

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[MikeWM]

This isn’t exactly wonderful news, but your thread title is misleading. Some women are having a case tried in the ECHR. That is not the EU suing Ireland, it is some women trying to question the legality of one of Ireland’s laws. It may be useful to know that the ECHR is a completely different institution to the EU. (Most people in the UK don’t know this either, to be fair).

Mike

 

[Lisa4Catholics]

MikeWM:

This isn’t exactly wonderful news, but your thread title is misleading. Some women are having a case tried in the ECHR. That is not the EU suing Ireland, it is some women trying to question the legality of one of Ireland’s laws. It may be useful to know that the ECHR is a completely different institution to the EU. (Most people in the UK don’t know this either, to be fair).

Mike

Sorry No I didn’t know that.

 

[walstan]

ECHR

European Court of Human Rights for those that didn’t know.

 

[MarySon]

So I guess Poland will be next

 

[MikeWM]

MarySon:

So I guess Poland will be next

Well, private citizens have the right to bring a case for pretty much any reason they like. It doesn’t mean they will win (which is the other reason the title of this thread is somewhat misleading)

Mike

 

[miguel]

MikeWM:

Well, private citizens have the right to bring a case for pretty much any reason they like. It doesn’t mean they will win (which is the other reason the title of this thread is somewhat misleading)

Mike

Thanks for the clarification. I was about to point out the irony of Ireland surrendering its sovereignty to the EU after struggling so hard to obtain it. What legal authority does this ECHR have in Ireland? Or is this just another international law body claiming jurisdiction that it doesn’t have?

 

[MikeWM]

miguel:

Thanks for the clarification. I was about to point out the irony of Ireland surrendering its sovereignty to the EU after struggling so hard to obtain it. What legal authority does this ECHR have in Ireland? Or is this just another international law body claiming jurisdiction that it doesn’t have?

It has the power to hear cases brought under the European Convention on Human Rights, which is agreed to be all members of the Council of Europe (currently containing 46 members, basically the whole of Europe, and just to be clear, is nothing to do with the European Union

It rules whether some soverign laws are in violation of the Convention, and if so, there is something of an onus on the country to change the law. I’m not totally sure of the utter requirement and/or the timescale though, this is the kind of thing we need international lawyers for

Mike

 

[miguel]

MikeWM:

It has the power to hear cases brought under the European Convention on Human Rights, which is agreed to be all members of the Council of Europe (currently containing 46 members, basically the whole of Europe, and just to be clear, is nothing to do with the European Union

It rules whether some soverign laws are in violation of the Convention, and if so, there is something of an onus on the country to change the law. I’m not totally sure of the utter requirement and/or the timescale though, this is the kind of thing we need international lawyers for

Mike

“Something of an onus?” It doesn’t sound like it has teeth to enforce its decisions.

 

[MikeWM]

“Something of an onus?” It doesn’t sound like it has teeth to enforce its decisions.

I was being cagy because I’m not especially sure either way As far as I am aware, the decisions are binding but I’m not sure how they are enforced.

Mike

 

[Valz]

Lisa4Catholics:

Irish law on abortion “jeopardises their health and well-being”.

Bollocks.

 

[Franze]

“Thousand of women” is a dirty lie. There are only dozens, very sad seeing these lies in BBC.

 

[abcdefg]

“Thousand of women” is a dirty lie. There are only dozens, very sad seeing these lies in BBC.

What can you expect from medias operated by Satan?

 

[Zooey]

Let me get this straight. These women have all ready had abortions, right? And so now they are suing because it is such a horrendous hardship to travel all the way to the UK…
Gee, who knew?? Their health & well being???..Well, they could have stayed home in Ireland & given birth to their babies…Were they unaware of this option??? I mean, there are—I don’t know, but I would guess that there are, oh, I don’t know,one or maybe even* two* hospitals that would have delivered those babies alive…might even be an adoption agency who could have placed them with people who would be glad to take them in & love & raise them…
Pardon me while I don’t weep for the horrible straits these women were in…NOT!!! Quite apart from the fact that they seem to have survived thus far,&–unlike their babies-- were scarcely endangered–maybe inconvenienced, but not endangered…They haven’t just retuned from trekking on foot to the North Pole, have they??? They went to England, for heaven’s sake. But,no, let’s sue. “Please, your honor, we just had to kill our babies, & we couldn’t do it here…”

Sheeshhh!!!

 

[MikeWM]

“Thousand of women” is a dirty lie. There are only dozens, very sad seeing these lies in BBC.

Every figure that I can find on the internet says between 6000 and 7000. It is a very widely-spread ‘dirty lie’. Do you have a source for there being ‘only dozens’?

Mike

 

[Franze]

MikeWM:

Every figure that I can find on the internet says between 6000 and 7000. It is a very widely-spread ‘dirty lie’. Do you have a source for there being ‘only dozens’?

Mike

No I don´t know the amounts, but I know that they exagerating the amounts for reaching their objectives, remember, the amount of died women for making illegal abortions and it was a lie. I don´t believe them.

 

[MikeWM]

Franze:

No I don´t know the amounts, but I know that they exagerating the amounts for reaching their objectives, remember, the amount of died women for making illegal abortions and it was a lie. I don´t believe them.

Well, it’s ok to have a gut feeling, but it is going a bit far to call people liars in public unless you have some proof to the contrary, imo.

I don’t see any reason to doubt their figure. Sure they may be using the figure as leverage for their nasty cause, but until someone comes forward with other evidence I don’t see we can say it is a lie just because your gut tells you so.

Mike

 

[miguel]

MikeWM:

I was being cagy because I’m not especially sure either way As far as I am aware, the decisions are binding but I’m not sure how they are enforced.

Mike

Just on principle, I distrust international bodies who have no democratic accountability to the people they supposedly rule over.

 

[stbruno]

Colossians 3:17 says “Whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus.”

So then equally we can say: Whatever we cannot do in Jesus’ name, therefore we are not to do at all. If we cannot abort a fetus in Jesus’ name, then we should not do it. If we cannot end a patient’s life in Jesus’ name then we should not do it. If we cannot take our own lives in Jesus’ name, then we should not do…these are the words heard in a talk by Henry Sloane Coffin…

So therefore sue not in the name of Jesus to support abortion. Instead, do everything in the name of Jesus to stop abortion!
Pray and Pray always!

 

[JimG]

MikeWM:

That is not the EU suing Ireland, **it is some women trying to question the legality of one of Ireland’s laws. **

So Ireland no longer has national sovereignty? If the women win this case will Ireland be required to abrogate or change its law?