Irrefutable series part 1: An Argument For the Existence Of An Intelligent Cause Revised

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Infallible Scripture tells us that God has changed His mind.
Well, it has never been the infallible position of the Catholic church that God changes. God is a perfect being, he does not change his mind, he does not make errors in his judgement. There are anthropomorphic elements in scripture in how it expresses God’s activity in the world.

You are just expressing your interpretation of infallible scripture.
 
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God is a perfect being, he does not change his mind,
It seems that G-d does not agree with you.
“Perhaps they will listen and each one will turn back from his evil way, and I will change my mind concerning the calamity that I intend to bring on them because of their evil deeds.”—Jeremiah 26:3
Gen 6 And the Lord regretted that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart.
“if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, turn from their evil, I will change my mind about the disaster that I thought to do to them. “ Jer 18: 8
 
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You have not shown that matter is unnecessary.
I have. Physical reality changes. A necessary act or reality does not.
The universe is necessary for man to exist.
Because we have a physical nature we cannot be physical without there being a physical reality. But it doesn’t follow that therefore the universe, including ourselves, necessarily exists.
 
Physical reality changes
Physical reality never changes essentially. Matter can never be created or destroyed. The changes that you see in physical reality are inessential changes. These transformations in matter do not change the essential Nature of Matter. It is similar to the situation of God coming down from heaven or of God becoming man. Essentially, God has not changed, even though it might seem so. All the changes we see in God are inessential ones and do not touch upon his Nature.
 
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Matter can never be created or destroyed
Just because matter doesn’t stop being matter doesn’t mean it does not change. Neither does it mean that it necessarily exists, since it moves from potential to actuality.
 
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These transformations in matter do not change the essential Nature of Matter.
It’s irrelevant. Having an intellect is essential to my being a rational being. But the act of that nature changes nonetheless. Therefore i am not a necessary act of reality.
 
It clearly does in some way shape or form.
All the changes that we see in physical reality are inessential because the essential Nature of Matter does not change.
We have seen how God changes in some way as He comes down from Heaven and becomes Man or as He says that He will change His mind. But that does not mean that these changes are essential in His Nature.
 
the Lord regretted that he had made man on the earth
If we accept your interpretation then God is not infallible and does not have a perfect intellect since he does things that he will eventually regret (like a human).

I do not accept process theology. What you represent is not the traditional theistic view of God and is certainly not the view of the Catholic Church.

 
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If we accept your interpretation
It is not an interpretation. It is a direct quote from the LORD G-d:
“if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, turn from their evil, I will change my mind about the disaster that I thought to do to them. “ Jer 18: 8
The LORD Himself tells us that there are circumstances when He will change His mind. This is a quote, not an interpretation.
 
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If something caused the universe then it would need to be not part of the universe. It causes the universe, then ceases to exist.
It is not necessarily true that once something has been created that it’s cause must cease to exist.
True. It is also not necessarily true that once something has been created then its cause must remain.

Both are assumptions. You are claiming the latter. I need you to acknowledge that fact.
 
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Each universe has a begining but the cycle is infinite.

Or maybe God instead.
I don’t see the idea of a creator and a cyclical universe as being mutually exclusive. You can’t explain away contingency by adding an infinite number of cycles.
I’m not adding cycles. There is just the one. Which has no beginning and no end. Hence no need for a creator.
 
True. It is also not necessarily true that once something has been created then its cause must remain.

Both are assumptions. You are claiming the latter. I need you to acknowledge that fact.
You are making a straw-man of my argument.

I never claimed that once something has been created then its cause must remain.

I argued that in order for contingent beings to exist a necessary act of reality must exist.

I have made my argument for why i think you are incorrect in regards to the first premise of the OP. You can either address that argument and show why it’s wrong, or you can ignore it. Either way, assertions are unacceptable; don’t you agree?
 
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It is a direct quote from the LORD G-d:
So we have a direct quote from God saying that he is imperfect and makes mistakes?

I don’t think so.

I’m sorry, but i have to reject your interpretation. You have no theological authority to dictate. It’s clear that if we accept your interpretation that therefore the word of God is not infallible because God clearly demonstrates his fallibility in the literal words of scripture.

It obviously hasn’t occurred to you that there is analogy, metaphor, parable, allegory and poetic statements in scripture.
 
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therefore physical reality and any contingent thing is ultimately dependent on the existence of a necessary-being in order to exist.
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True. It is also not necessarily true that once something has been created then its cause must remain.

Both are assumptions. You are claiming the latter. I need you to acknowledge that fact.
You are making a straw-man of my argument.

I never claimed that once something has been created then its cause must remain.

I argued that in order for contingent beings to exist a necessary act of reality must exist.

I have made my argument for why i think you are incorrect in regards to the first premise of the OP. You can either address that argument and show why it’s wrong, or you can ignore it. Either way, assertions are unacceptable; don’t you agree?
I do agree. But you are making an implied assumption. I would like to head it off at the pass. For example, you said:

‘…physical reality and any contingent thing is ultimately dependent on the existence of a necessary-being in order to exist.’

That would be more accurately written as:

‘…physical reality and any contingent thing *was * ultimately dependent on the orignal existence of a ncessary-being which may or may not still exist.’

I’m just looking to save you some time, because we know where you are going with the argument and it will, at some point, refer to this ‘necessary-being’ asif it still existed. And that will be an assumption. And as you said:
Assertions are unacceptable; don’t you agree?
 
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‘…physical reality and any contingent thing is ultimately dependent on the existence of a necessary-being in order to exist.’
Correct, because there cannot be a state of affairs where only contingent beings exist.

I have gone on to explain why it can’t be the case, as if it’s not obvious already, and you have ignored it.

Your whole case is reliant on the belief that i have said something that i haven’t really said.

You can call me a liar if you want, but what i have written so far testifies to my position.
 
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