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JohnDeereFan
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What a disgustingly low view of God you have.
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SonofMonica
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Thought so. Well, since you don’t want to do anything hard, I will post to you a single, solitary verse, protestant-style, and then I’ll let you be.
“In doing this he acted in a very excellent and noble way, inasmuch as he had the resurrection of the dead in view; for if he were not expecting the dead to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death. But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin” (2 Macc. 12:43–45).
Good luck finding it your Bible. God bless you.
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PRmerger
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Through Christ? Or through themselves?
Hmmm…but never have answered my question.
I’m talking generally–about the 40,000 different denominations that have arisen because people subscribe to Sola Scriptura.
Ok. Can you give me some Scripture verses which tell me what it is? Chapter and verse, please.
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SonofMonica
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I’ll take that as a payback joke for the lawnmower thing.
Praying for you, as I hope you’ll pray for me. Peace.
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JohnDeereFan
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It has nothing to do with not wanting to do anything hard. Believe me, you’d never last five minutes in the seminary I went to.
It has to do with already being familiar with the Catholic doctrine of Purgatory.
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JohnDeereFan
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Those…expiating their sin.
First of all, the 40,000 denominations lie has been debunked long ago.
Second, denominations do not exist because of sola scriptura.
I showed you from your very own source where your very own “infallible” leaders stated that people in Purgatory are there to expiate their own sins and you refuse to acknowledge it, even when I quoted it verbatem and gave you the source from whence it came.
So why should I think you’d respond any differently to scripture?
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JohnDeereFan
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No, it was just an observation.I’ll take that as a payback joke for the lawnmower thing.
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SonofMonica
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Anybody can start a “seminary”… if you invent a belief system, you can make it as difficult or easy as you want to. You should know that, because you claim that’s what we do.
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JohnDeereFan
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Yep. And SEBTS has a reputation the world over and one of the finest seminaries in the world.
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SonofMonica
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Yet, you claim to understand Catholic teaching about purgatory… To expiate means “to make amends.”
Those in purgatory are in some sense making amends by being there. But they are not actively making amends in the sense you are suggesting. Christ is the one purging their sins while they are there, by fire.
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SonofMonica
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Teaching a doctrinal system invented almost two millenia after the Church started ordaining bishops and priests…
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JohnDeereFan
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Right. Because Catholics redifine words to make them fit.
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JohnDeereFan
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And it’s stupid statements such as this that make you very hard to take seriously.
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SonofMonica
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Ummm… it’s our word to begin with. You quoted our Catechism… Oh, and um… here you go:
dictionary.reference.com/browse/expiate
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SonofMonica
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Ok, tell me how Christ started the Baptist Church 2000 years ago. I’ll be waiting…
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SonofMonica
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SonofMonica
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Oh, also, tell me where seminaries are in the Bible. And who started the first one.
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JohnDeereFan
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Find somebody to help you read the book of Acts.
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SonofMonica
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Did. It’s not in there.
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sambos671
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This particular issue really is bothering me. I don’t want pat answers that tend to be more offensive than helpful. I really want something to chew on and help me with this differentiation.
As a Catholic early in life I was a reflection of my family and Parish. The majority of people in my Parish and Family were Catholics. We all had been baptised, gone to first communion, and confirmed. At the point of each sacrament, the Holy Spirit is supposed to work in you. Yet. we (people I knew in my parish and I) sinned regularily without a thought. We could not be differentiated in our life style to anyone who wasn’t Christian. We stole, cheated, fornicated, bullied, injured, other people. My own father is twice divorsed civilly. Now during mass we didn’t let on what was going on outside of Mass. We felt “ok” because we followed “rules” and did the right things like go to confession on Saturday to make up for things we did the week before. Had it not been for Protestant Missionaries I would never have understood some basic things about the gospel, learned scripture, and really become a believer in Jesus Christ. When that happened my life went from one of not knowing if I was sinning half the time ( or caring) to being aware intamately of offending God and needing to be different through out the week. Not just during Mass which I spend half the time looking at a watch. My life was different and better and I sought God as I had never before. Now the first Question 1: Why wasn’t baptism, 1st communion, and confirmation enough to do this for me?
Years later after intense study of Scriptures, and Church History and out of obedience to Jesus and the Eucharist I have returned to the Church. I’m in a new Parish. However, I still see the same things. And worse. People seeking to be leaders in the church have less than a marginal knowledge of Scriptures, or Church history. Some don’t properly understand the eucharist. Many have gone beyond Church teaching and incorporated “superstitions” into their christianity. (burying St. Joseph Statue in yard to sell house). One person believes in psychics speaking to Ghost and is an extra ordinary Minister of the eucharist. She even told me once that sins Jesus was a man he sinned. There seems to be an emphasis on praying to your Gardian Angel yet Pope Benedict has said a belief in this is not required. I know many members against NFP and consistently goes against the Church in this regard. Some members are serious Alchololics. Its the minority of people in my parish that seek the lord with all their hearts. 2nd question. Why the prevelant dicotomy? Why is it the converted protestants to Catholics that must teach scriptures to people who have never understood it before in the Church Jesus established? I’ve noted that there is a hunger for this learning. But still too few. These things that I consider applied Christianity or faith applications really bother me and I struggle with baptismal regeneration and the applicability of the Sacraments working in us to make us more like Christ.
As for the point with regard to this thread I think having been a protestant made me in the end a better Catholic (not perfect but better than I was)
Can anyone with Charity and grace please help me to understand whats going on here?
As a Catholic early in life I was a reflection of my family and Parish. The majority of people in my Parish and Family were Catholics. We all had been baptised, gone to first communion, and confirmed. At the point of each sacrament, the Holy Spirit is supposed to work in you. Yet. we (people I knew in my parish and I) sinned regularily without a thought. We could not be differentiated in our life style to anyone who wasn’t Christian. We stole, cheated, fornicated, bullied, injured, other people. My own father is twice divorsed civilly. Now during mass we didn’t let on what was going on outside of Mass. We felt “ok” because we followed “rules” and did the right things like go to confession on Saturday to make up for things we did the week before. Had it not been for Protestant Missionaries I would never have understood some basic things about the gospel, learned scripture, and really become a believer in Jesus Christ. When that happened my life went from one of not knowing if I was sinning half the time ( or caring) to being aware intamately of offending God and needing to be different through out the week. Not just during Mass which I spend half the time looking at a watch. My life was different and better and I sought God as I had never before. Now the first Question 1: Why wasn’t baptism, 1st communion, and confirmation enough to do this for me?
Years later after intense study of Scriptures, and Church History and out of obedience to Jesus and the Eucharist I have returned to the Church. I’m in a new Parish. However, I still see the same things. And worse. People seeking to be leaders in the church have less than a marginal knowledge of Scriptures, or Church history. Some don’t properly understand the eucharist. Many have gone beyond Church teaching and incorporated “superstitions” into their christianity. (burying St. Joseph Statue in yard to sell house). One person believes in psychics speaking to Ghost and is an extra ordinary Minister of the eucharist. She even told me once that sins Jesus was a man he sinned. There seems to be an emphasis on praying to your Gardian Angel yet Pope Benedict has said a belief in this is not required. I know many members against NFP and consistently goes against the Church in this regard. Some members are serious Alchololics. Its the minority of people in my parish that seek the lord with all their hearts. 2nd question. Why the prevelant dicotomy? Why is it the converted protestants to Catholics that must teach scriptures to people who have never understood it before in the Church Jesus established? I’ve noted that there is a hunger for this learning. But still too few. These things that I consider applied Christianity or faith applications really bother me and I struggle with baptismal regeneration and the applicability of the Sacraments working in us to make us more like Christ.
As for the point with regard to this thread I think having been a protestant made me in the end a better Catholic (not perfect but better than I was)
Can anyone with Charity and grace please help me to understand whats going on here?
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