Is a Nfp instructor necessary?

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Some perhaps but not all. We should not be blind and blind others in saying, "just search an app, it is a sure way to know how your fertility is.

To much media controversy around Natural cycles app, an application which is sell by a scandinavian compagny which said promote natural “contraception”.
The only signs that are required is periods and BBT. And the fertile period is not extended from period to end of ovulation, but just around the supposed period of ovulation.
We do not do like that with a traditional natural method.
 
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A valid form if nfp would be the calendar or rhythm method. Its “nfp” so are more accurate methods like the billings and Marquette methods. Or machines such as lady comp. Apps are just organized data collectors. And women are different. I wouldn’t dismiss apps. They may be good for some. In fact they could be better.
 
App can be a valid, and can be better, if based on an accurate method.

Rythm method and temp+calendar method are natural method are natural method. These methods are morally right, and they can be used. But the users need to be awarethat they not evidence based method founded on self observation. They involve stats.

We play with words, because for many nfp= self observation. Rythm = other form of natural methods. In French language, nfp = self observation only, anf i think it is what the majority of users here think too.
 
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I’m not having any sex so I don’t know much about Nfp.

My impression was that these apps basically allow you to key in your data, and then you would look at it and determine whether to have sex or not. Based on what they tell you (e.g. Abstain for 3 days after you see xyz). Would it be different from an instructor?
 
I wouldn’t advise using an app that way. Use it to chart (or print out a chart, but it’s 2019 so I assume you prefer digital methods).

Then, apply the rules you have learned yourself (riskier option) or from an instructor (less risky). I use ovuview to record my symptoms, but would never rely on it to tell me when I can have sex. I use the rules from the book I mentioned to figure it out myself.

I’d probably rely on a Ladycomp to tell me what to do, because it’s so reliable. But I’d still use common sense and not believe it blindly (like, if I have a fever, I’m going to be wary of what it says).
 
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Don’t you have to take your temperature at the same time each morning :confused: out of point, I know, but nfp is pretty troublesome, lol. God knows what he is doing 😂
 
For some methods. I could not do a temp based method because of my sleeping/lack of sleep. I chose a method that does not require temping.

Because of a disability, I cannot do internal cervical checks, so, I chose a method that did not require those checks either.

This is why one investigates all of the methods available and finds what works for them.
 
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Daysy is one of the new tech devices

https://usa.daysy.me/

I’ve heard that others are intesting that can be worn internally, others that wrap around your arm at night.
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The new “femtech” items that are available now are pretty cool! I use a Tempdrop, the thermometer that I fit to my arm with an armband…it takes my temperature all night and in the morning gives me the lowest temp when I sync it to my phone. This is invaluable with a baby while nursing and waking up frequently at night! It accurately confirmed my first postpartum ovulation, and the ones that have followed, which was pretty cool.

Most NFP effectiveness numbers are based on established methods and rules, not based on apps. If you want the effectiveness of a certain method, you need to at least apply the method’s rules to the app, even if it tells you something different.
 
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Yep! I have the TempDrop too. Unfortunately, due to sickness, etc, their algorithm completely missed my temp shift this month. Since I knew the rules and was tracking other symptoms, I was still able to p(name removed by moderator)oint ovulation with little trouble.
 
@Lea101,

The following is an exemple why this app/chart that “calculate” your ovulation may induce the woman in error.
They are usually used by non-nfp users to help to achieve a conception, but by some to avoid a pregnancy, because natural methods now interess new women who abondon hormonal contraception.

In many websites I see, the only sign that is requiered to chart is BBT (basal body temp), because It is a well-known sign versus mucus who is more subjective and less popular.

Yes, us, Catholic women who are aware of nfp know that we should take it every morning at the same hour etc, as you said.

Yet, a problem remain: I see these automatic calculations indicate the day of the lowest temp (nadir) is the day of ovulation. That’s not always the case, and what I have learned through my formation on nfp. That’s not what my symptothermal instructor teach to me too, and the rules she teaches me differ as a consequence, on a more conversative way. A non-aware woman who is trying to avoid can be mislead.

I don’t know the anglophone websites/app, but maybe this exemple can be find too.
 
We can learn an nfp method through books/online training.
It can be effective. but an instructor in person that we can see face to face or online can offer a second look, and answer parctical and personal questions. It is precious and may make the method more reliable. The study tend to said it.
 
Yeah if you use the symptothermal method. I don’t find it a hassle personally. There are methods that don’t involve temp
 
I need a tempdrop! Been looking into it as it’s compatible with ovuview
 
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