Is abortion acceptable in any circumstance?

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I am pro-life and very against abortion. However, I have been thinking if abortion is acceptable if the woman has an ectopic pregnancy or other life threatening condition (like cancer and chemo will kill the baby). Also, when a woman is raped. I feel that it is not acceptable to abort even in cases of rape but I can understand the other side.
 
No, abortion is not acceptable in the case of an ectopic pregnancy.

Removal of the ectopic fallopian tube is acceptable and does not constitute abortion since it is treating a medical condition.
 
A direct act against the fetus is never permitted, even in the case of rape. That is because the fetus has personhood.

An indirect act against the fetus, however, can be allowed. If a mother has cancer and does chemotherapy, it will kill the child, but this is permissible because it is a side-consequence of the action, and not its desired end.
 
Thanks for the replies. This is what I thought but wasn’t sure if an indirect act would be considered acceptable. Thanks for the clarification!
 
We have to be careful. A major issue is when the use of salpingectomy as a means of ‘preventative’ treatment is said to be ‘justified’ on principle of double effect. It is an action which surely results in death with justification being that the fallopian ‘might’ rupture. Surgery to ‘correct’ and ectopic pregnancy on the sole basis that it is ectopic can be thought of as ‘preventative’ surgery. It would not seem justifiable to kill another living human being on the basis of prevention.
Double effect has serious conditions attached to it, which cannot be reduced to simply doing one thing while not intending an unavoidable outcome of grave significance.

So we have the possibility of tubal rupture, which, in turn, has the possibility of death (but a relatively low probability outcome with medical treatment). So the old ‘treating the tube isn’t direct abortion’ argument has migrated into ‘preventively treating the tube isn’t direct abortion’ (we can’t say ‘pre-emptive’ because we don’t know if the tube will actually rupture). It is all too easy to take a thin distinction and make it thinner still.

The justifications typically used in support of salpingectomy on the principle of double effect are very weak and it is quite difficult to differentiate between that and Methotrexate treatment in ectopic pregnancy. In fact it can be said that salpingectomy is even worse because it is both a direct attack on the unborn and an attack on the mother’s fertility. It is a difficult argument to say that removal of the tube with the baby inside is not a direct attack. In many Latin American countries which hold a strong Catholic presence, health care providers usually cannot intercede until an ectopic pregnancy results in an actual tubal rupture. Treatment of the internal bleeding is then deemed a more licit application of double effect (since the condition threatens the life of both patients).

In recent times medical advances have progressed over the years. For example, ectopic pregnancies are able to be detected much earlier. As well we have antibiotics, blood transfusions, and many developed surgical techniques. Although a tubal rupture under certain circumstances may very well, under certain circumstances, present a significant health risk, maternal death is highly unlikely.

There used to be not much distinction between salpingectomy and salpingostomy. The pregnancy itself was not usually detected until internal bleeding became evident or other severe symptoms manifested. Nowadays we have early detection, and managed health care at our disposal. It is much more difficult to justify salpingectomy over something such as Methotrexate for instance.

The outcome of both procedures results in a medical abortion with the dispute lying between what constitues direct rather than indirect abortion per Church teaching. One requires surgery and results in partial sterility, the other generally does not effect fertility and is less intrussive.

Many theological arguments have developed in the wake of this issue. Some groups simply contend that all three treatments could be construed as falling under “double effect”. However, given that the original distinction was ‘thin’, many theologians disagree.

The Church has not formally declared the legitimacy or lack thereof of any of these applications of theology and specific medical procedures and is being prudent in doing so. But it has unquestionably, always and everywhere, asserted that life is something that is to be respected from fertilization to natural death. Both the zygote and the mother are loved infininately by God, so, as the Church has stated, both must be treated equally. However, the absolute ban on abortions, even to the extent of saving the life of the mother dates back to 1884 and 1889. In of itself, it is an incredibly hard teaching for many to accept, let alone live.

The only clear statements we have from the Church all lean towards our ban on abortion being absolute. Abortion to save the life of the mother is not licit. The Church stated this expressly in ccc 1884, 1889, and 1902 (the last regarding the question of ectopic gestations).
So clearly any assertation with certainty that Catholic teaching is ‘salpingectomy yes, everything else no’ is incorrect. That is the opinion of some theologians, but the belief is hardly the universal teaching of the Church.
 
What is Methotrexate?
Methotrexate is a drug with many uses, however it is used in the abortion industry together with misoprostol to terminate life early in a pregnancy and is used to ‘treat’ ectopic pregnancy. In a Methotrexate Abortion, the cells of the embryo are prevented from dividing and multiplying and is a non-surgical method of killing the baby in its early stages. Within a few days or weeks of receing an injection at the abortuary, a miscarriage results. Methotrexate has been used since 1982 for ending ectopic life in the fallopian tubes.
 
…In fact it can be said that salpingectomy is even worse because it is both a direct attack on the unborn and an attack on the mother’s fertility.

The outcome of both procedures results in a medical abortion with the dispute lying between what constitutes direct rather than indirect abortion per Church teaching. One requires surgery and results in partial sterility, the other generally does not effect fertility and is less intrusive.
With regards to the mother’s future fertility, I recall reading somewhere that a woman who has one ectopic pregnancy has a 15% higher chance of another ectopic pregnancy. If that is true, the fallopian tube after an abortion following ectopic pregnancy would constitute a diseased organ, wouldn’t it? And thus it would be better to remove it to begin with.

Edit: I did recall, and here is the link: womenshealth.org/a/ectopic_pregnancy.htm
 
I am pro-life and very against abortion. However, I have been thinking if abortion is acceptable if the woman has an ectopic pregnancy or other life threatening condition (like cancer and chemo will kill the baby). Also, when a woman is raped. I feel that it is not acceptable to abort even in cases of rape but I can understand the other side.
as long as there is no other choice that the life of the fetus is to be sacrificed to save the life of the mother, then it is acceptable
 
No circumstances, ever. The life of the child belongs to God as does the mother. Any perceived threats to the life of the mother should be attended to prudently with the hope that both lives can be saved.
 
We have to be careful. A major issue is when the use of salpingectomy as a means of ‘preventative’ treatment is said to be ‘justified’ on principle of double effect. It is an action which surely results in death with justification being that the fallopian ‘might’ rupture. Surgery to ‘correct’ and ectopic pregnancy on the sole basis that it is ectopic can be thought of as ‘preventative’ surgery. It would not seem justifiable to kill another living human being on the basis of prevention.
Double effect has serious conditions attached to it, which cannot be reduced to simply doing one thing while not intending an unavoidable outcome of grave significance.

So we have the possibility of tubal rupture, which, in turn, has the possibility of death (but a relatively low probability outcome with medical treatment). So the old ‘treating the tube isn’t direct abortion’ argument has migrated into ‘preventively treating the tube isn’t direct abortion’ (we can’t say ‘pre-emptive’ because we don’t know if the tube will actually rupture). It is all too easy to take a thin distinction and make it thinner still.

The justifications typically used in support of salpingectomy on the principle of double effect are very weak and it is quite difficult to differentiate between that and Methotrexate treatment in ectopic pregnancy. In fact it can be said that salpingectomy is even worse because it is both a direct attack on the unborn and an attack on the mother’s fertility. It is a difficult argument to say that removal of the tube with the baby inside is not a direct attack. In many Latin American countries which hold a strong Catholic presence, health care providers usually cannot intercede until an ectopic pregnancy results in an actual tubal rupture. Treatment of the internal bleeding is then deemed a more licit application of double effect (since the condition threatens the life of both patients).

In recent times medical advances have progressed over the years. For example, ectopic pregnancies are able to be detected much earlier. As well we have antibiotics, blood transfusions, and many developed surgical techniques. Although a tubal rupture under certain circumstances may very well, under certain circumstances, present a significant health risk, maternal death is highly unlikely.

There used to be not much distinction between salpingectomy and salpingostomy. The pregnancy itself was not usually detected until internal bleeding became evident or other severe symptoms manifested. Nowadays we have early detection, and managed health care at our disposal. It is much more difficult to justify salpingectomy over something such as Methotrexate for instance.

The outcome of both procedures results in a medical abortion with the dispute lying between what constitues direct rather than indirect abortion per Church teaching. One requires surgery and results in partial sterility, the other generally does not effect fertility and is less intrussive.

Many theological arguments have developed in the wake of this issue. Some groups simply contend that all three treatments could be construed as falling under “double effect”. However, given that the original distinction was ‘thin’, many theologians disagree.

The Church has not formally declared the legitimacy or lack thereof of any of these applications of theology and specific medical procedures and is being prudent in doing so. But it has unquestionably, always and everywhere, asserted that life is something that is to be respected from fertilization to natural death. Both the zygote and the mother are loved infininately by God, so, as the Church has stated, both must be treated equally. However, the absolute ban on abortions, even to the extent of saving the life of the mother dates back to 1884 and 1889. In of itself, it is an incredibly hard teaching for many to accept, let alone live.

The only clear statements we have from the Church all lean towards our ban on abortion being absolute. Abortion to save the life of the mother is not licit. The Church stated this expressly in ccc 1884, 1889, and 1902 (the last regarding the question of ectopic gestations).
So clearly any assertation with certainty that Catholic teaching is ‘salpingectomy yes, everything else no’ is incorrect. That is the opinion of some theologians, but the belief is hardly the universal teaching of the Church.
Hi. I wanted to point out that there is no such thing as “partial sterility” one is either sterile or not. A woman is fully capable of becoming pregnant with one tube.

I don’t understand something about your post. Are you saying that there is no ethical treatment of a ectopic pregancy except to treat it after the rupture?

I see an NFP only doctor, and saught him out precisely for an ethical treatment of an ectopic pregnancy. He pointed out 3 treatments: 1. methotrexate, not being a possibility as it was a direct attack. 2. removal of the tube. Often this removal would show abnormality within the tube, such as a blockage. 3. wait and see.

For my specific case, wait and see was not an option, because the measurement of the embryo was within the time frame when most ruptures occur. I was sent to the hospital for surgery and further tests, and more sensitive equipment revealed that it was not an ectopic, but a natural miscarriage. I appreciate my doctor very much for this handling of my case. I don’t see how this falls outside of Catholic teaching. 😦
 
Hi. I wanted to point out that there is no such thing as “partial sterility” one is either sterile or not. A woman is fully capable of becoming pregnant with one tube.
Actually there is. It is the same difference as something being dirty or clean. Can something be partially clean? Or is It a matter of being either dirty or being clean?
Same if half of a woman’s reproductive capability has been destroyed?
 
Sorry, lobster, I don’t agree. If I serve you dinner in a partially clean plate…you would still think it’s dirty.

A woman with one functioning tube, can still become pregnant. She is not infertile.
 
I see an NFP only doctor, and saught him out precisely for an ethical treatment of an ectopic pregnancy. He pointed out 3 treatments: 1. methotrexate, not being a possibility as it was a direct attack. 2. removal of the tube. Often this removal would show abnormality within the tube, such as a blockage. 3. wait and see.

For my specific case, wait and see was not an option, because the measurement of the embryo was within the time frame when most ruptures occur. I was sent to the hospital for surgery and further tests, and more sensitive equipment revealed that it was not an ectopic, but a natural miscarriage. I appreciate my doctor very much for this handling of my case. I don’t see how this falls outside of Catholic teaching. 😦
It doesn’t. Be assured, if a pregnancy has been confirmed to be ectopic, removing the fallopian tube IS acceptable and falls within double effect. Don’t let anyone else convince you otherwise. If in doubt, ask your PRIEST, not someone online. It is extremely dangerous to wait until something ruptures. And ectopic pregnancy will only result in a dangerous hemorrhage if not treated. You did the right thing.

And you’re absolutely correct, both fallopian tubes send out eggs. Women can function with no fertilitiy issues at all with only one tube.

Remember, when in doubt, ask your priest or check out the Vatican website. With all due respect, and without indending to insult or be condescending, telling a woman she can’t be treated for a medical condition until she ruptures is bad advice and just plain irresponsible. And this only gives pro-abortion people and edge over pro-lifers at the ballot polls. The Church does NOT want women to die. The Church wants us to save both if possible, and would never tell a woman she can’t get medical treatment.
 
What is Methotrexate?
Methotrexate is an antimetabolite/antifolate drugs. It is used to manage Crohn’s disease, rheumatoid arthritis, psoriasis, and other autoimmune diseases.

But it can also be used to cause abortion in the early stages of pregnancy because it inhibits growth of the fetus. Use of methotrexate for ectopic pregnancy does not fall under double effect because the primary use of it is to terminate pregancy, not to treat and prevent hemorrhage (like removing the fallopian tube).
 
Actually there is. It is the same difference as something being dirty or clean. Can something be partially clean? Or is It a matter of being either dirty or being clean?
Same if half of a woman’s reproductive capability has been destroyed?
I think I understand why you’re saying that she’s only half capable of conceiving. But you’re a bit confused, women push out eggs from both fallopian tubes, and if one is removed, the other will just do all the work. It’s not like having one leg removed, where you can’t walk because you need both, or a prosthetic one. So unless there are other reasons, having a fallopian tube removed shouldn’t by itself cause infertility.
 
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