Is abortion morally acceptable

[Ham1]

What about the preference values of others besides the Parents? Grandpapa and Grandmama or me or Joe down the street? They all may have a preference value for life for that poor kid in the womb. Why is their value overridden by the mother’s value? Why does she have special rights just because she’s carrying the kid?

Does power come into play here? Mom has power over the fetus because she has the kid in her that’s why she gets to kill the kid? Does this belief system come down to naked power defining whose preference value gets chosen?

Stalin made a preference value choice that a lotta people needed to be killed. Why is his preference value more or less worthy than others?

Who defines value? Those with voice (power). So abortion is a natural focal point for this philosophy for none are so powerless than the unborn.

I think even if I did not have faith, I would still have to be Christian just for the attractiveness and utilitarian value of it’s belief system. Utilitarian in that it combines as another poster stated the whole person, the aesthetic and emtional and spiritual, while also giving meaning to discounted experiences such as suffering by most other philosophies and religions.

This is essentially the question that I have asked Ribo not once but twice on this thread. He has yet to supply an answer. In order for his theory to hold up, he needs to explain at what point a person develops intrinsic value. Is it 30 days before birth, 30 days after, 2 years after? At what point does an individual’s value cease to be determined by a parent and begins to be determined by the very existence of the individual himself. And does an individual’s intrinsic value go from no value to full value or is it a progression from one to the other.

This is the part of philosophy where utilitarianism fails both logically and empirically.

 

[BobCatholic]

Who defines value? Those with voice (power). So abortion is a natural focal point for this philosophy for none are so powerless than the unborn.

And that’s the problem I bring up. If one can declare the unborn as having no value, then why not declare others as having no value as well? We did that before with black people in the USA. Saddam did that with the Kurds in Iraq. Hitler did that with Jews. There are TONS of examples.

As soon as one group is dehumanized, it inevitably leads to other groups being dehumanized, and more blood flows in the streets.

 

[Meathead]

Well if you don’t care about life, then abortion is perfectly acceptable. But then, so is capital punishment, war, and some people may even go as far to say revenge and honor killings.

If you find abortion is acceptable, then I say there is something wrong with your head.

 

[KathleenElsie]

Ok, prohibition did not stop the abuse of alcohol significantly though. It is unknown whether rendering abortion illegal would significantly stop abortion.

And laws against murder have not stopped murder. But, I honestly think it would be more common if there were no law against it.

 

[EmeraldWings]

Ok…lets all stop and think for a moment about what life is really about and why we’re all here…
well for those of you who don’t know, our purpose in life is to know, love, and serve God…and our goal is to get into heaven…so how is abortion helping any of us to meet our purpose in life? and how is it helping us to reach our goal?
how can abortion possibly be apart of Gods plan? and how can the termination of a child that has not even begun to live be pleasing to God?

we are here for a reason, each human being has a purpose, so who are you or anyone else to decide which of God’s children have the right to live?
God gave us each a free will, but at which point do these poor aborted children get to use theirs? how do these children fulfill their purpose in life?

lets go back to when there was no abortion, what did people do about unwanted pregnancies? or about deformed children? or retarded children?
and what did they do when the mother was at risk of death from delivering her child?

well let me just say, i have not met a mother who did not love her child so much, that she wouldn’t die for them,
and as for disabled children…i have never met a disabled child who wishes he was dead, or that he had never been born…

anyone who has an abortion for fear of what may happen to them or their child, cannot honestly say “Jesus, i trust in You.”

and for someone to refuse to suffer threw an unwanted pregnancy, by rape or whatever else, might as well be saying, Jesus you suffered and died for me even though you did not deserve to, but i will not do the same for you, even though i deserve it a million times more…

so what do you think life is about? just living? just experiencing things? is abortion wrong because you’re depriving a child of experiencing this world?
no…this world is a terrible place…and God did not place us here to enjoy ourselves…He put us here to test our worth, this life is a trial, and i don’t think putting an end to a life that God has created will make you worthy of heaven…

ok lets talk about this…“morally acceptable” thing…well lets check for the definition of what moral means…

Moral - The doctrine or practice of the duties of life; manner of living as regards right and wrong; conduct; behavior

and lets check the definition of murder…

murder - To deprive of life

hmmm…so by these definitions, is it morally acceptable, by the duties of life, and by the manners of living as regards to right and wrong, to deprive someone of their life?
and not to mention, i don’t think someone with good morals, would go ahead and get pregnant without planning to in the first place,

abortion being morally acceptable…i can’t say that doesn’t shock me to hear, as if Jesus Himself would tell you “go ahead, terminate this precious gift of life, deprive this wondrous soul of choosing to serve Me and love Me”

that brings to mind another point…i hear people saying “oh it’s just a chunk of flesh, it’s just a fetus”
but it’s not just that…it’s also a soul,
God said thou shalt not kill, we all know this,
so if you want to know if abortion is really murder? well by that definition i gave, “to deprive of life”
i think that’s pretty clear…
how about we all stop trying to think of more ways to get around Gods commandments, and start trying to think of ways we can be more pleasing to God?

 

[Meathead]

Ok…lets all stop and think for a moment about what life is really about and why we’re all here…
well for those of you who don’t know, our purpose in life is to know, love, and serve God…and our goal is to get into heaven…so how is abortion helping any of us to meet our purpose in life? and how is it helping us to reach our goal?
how can abortion possibly be apart of Gods plan? and how can the termination of a child that has not even begun to live be pleasing to God?

we are here for a reason, each human being has a purpose, so who are you or anyone else to decide which of God’s children have the right to live?
God gave us each a free will, but at which point do these poor aborted children get to use theirs? how do these children fulfill their purpose in life?

lets go back to when there was no abortion, what did people do about unwanted pregnancies? or about deformed children? or retarded children?
and what did they do when the mother was at risk of death from delivering her child?

well let me just say, i have not met a mother who did not love her child so much, that she wouldn’t die for them,
and as for disabled children…i have never met a disabled child who wishes he was dead, or that he had never been born…

anyone who has an abortion for fear of what may happen to them or their child, cannot honestly say “Jesus, i trust in You.”

and for someone to refuse to suffer threw an unwanted pregnancy, by rape or whatever else, might as well be saying, Jesus you suffered and died for me even though you did not deserve to, but i will not do the same for you, even though i deserve it a million times more…

so what do you think life is about? just living? just experiencing things? is abortion wrong because you’re depriving a child of experiencing this world?
no…this world is a terrible place…and God did not place us here to enjoy ourselves…He put us here to test our worth, this life is a trial, and i don’t think putting an end to a life that God has created will make you worthy of heaven…

ok lets talk about this…“morally acceptable” thing…well lets check for the definition of what moral means…

Moral - The doctrine or practice of the duties of life; manner of living as regards right and wrong; conduct; behavior

and lets check the definition of murder…

murder - To deprive of life

hmmm…so by these definitions, is it morally acceptable, by the duties of life, and by the manners of living as regards to right and wrong, to deprive someone of their life?
and not to mention, i don’t think someone with good morals, would go ahead and get pregnant without planning to in the first place,

abortion being morally acceptable…i can’t say that doesn’t shock me to hear, as if Jesus Himself would tell you “go ahead, terminate this precious gift of life, deprive this wondrous soul of choosing to serve Me and love Me”

that brings to mind another point…i hear people saying “oh it’s just a chunk of flesh, it’s just a fetus”
but it’s not just that…it’s also a soul,
God said thou shalt not kill, we all know this,
so if you want to know if abortion is really murder? well by that definition i gave, “to deprive of life”
i think that’s pretty clear…
how about we all stop trying to think of more ways to get around Gods commandments, and start trying to think of ways we can be more pleasing to God?

I think that was very well-said and true.

 

[ChristianWAB]

I believe that, regardless of what our law says, abortion will ALWAYS be wrong in the only eyes that matter - the eyes of the LORD.

Who are we to make laws that contradict God’s law? Do we really believe that we are that much better and more enlightened than God?

As for women who will find ways of having them anyway… well, they’ll have to answer to God for that one, but at the very least, a wide-sweeping law to OUTLAW abortions will certainly make our liberal population think twice about why it was made illegal.

Isn’t it amazing that the same people who are so supportive of abortion think it’s laughable to teach abstinence in schools?

 

[KathleenElsie]

I believe that, regardless of what our law says, abortion will ALWAYS be wrong in the only eyes that matter - the eyes of the LORD.

Who are we to make laws that contradict God’s law? Do we really believe that we are that much better and more enlightened than God?

As for women who will find ways of having them anyway… well, they’ll have to answer to God for that one, but at the very least, a wide-sweeping law to OUTLAW abortions will certainly make our liberal population think twice about why it was made illegal.

Isn’t it amazing that the same people who are so supportive of abortion think it’s laughable to teach abstinence in schools?

Good Post Made you post darker. Old eyes can’t read the lighter colors.

 

[Julian_Peters]

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