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AntalKalnoky
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As have Hollywood and Cable Movies last few decades: Big Profit driven, not Morality as through the Golden Era ending 1950’s. Sex, Violence sells; Money rules: Is the False God.
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I agree with you that it is not necessary for the (male) characters in * Cabaret* to kiss on the mouth . In fact, I don’t believe I’ve seen that in the productions I’ve watched.
It’s all up to the director. It sounds, from what the OP said, that this particular director is bound and determined to make his/her production of Cabaret as raunchy as possible. That’s his/her artistic vision. Time will tell if this results in a great production that is hailed by critics and audiences as “the best *Cabaret *ever!” or whether it will result in a stinkeroo that the critics blast as “worthless soft porn, don’t waste your time, stay home and watch the movie.”
I personally don’t think it would be necessary to make Cabaret “raunchy” or “R-rated” in order to be true to the playwright’s intent. If I were directing the play, I would suggest, through some kind of choreography, the perverted sexualities without actually showing them graphically. But I’m not the director of this particular production.
The problem is, an actor may not know the director’s artistic vision until AFTER they’ve signed the contract. Then if they try to leave the play (and break the contract), they are blacklisted and there will be no more parts for them, and their career is ended.
So it is really important for actors to try to learn what the director’s artistic vision is for a show before signing the contract. One way for an actor to do this without actually taking up the director’s time and possibly getting themselves on the director’s poo list is to speak with the stage manager.
The stage manager is the director’s eyes, ears, hands, and feet. The stage manager is responsible for making the director’s artistic vision happen.
The stage manager has met with the director many times before auditions, and should have a very good idea of where the director is taking the play. So if the actor can meet with the stage manager and talk things over, he/she will have a better idea about whether he/she should audition for the show or whether they should take a pass and look for a show that is in sync with their comfort level.
Since this is a college play, there will not be a “contract” and “salary.” However, the actor could still speak with the stage manager and try to get a better idea of what the director’s vision is for the show. Then if it sounds just a little far-out and sleazy, the actor could politely let the director know that he is unable to audition. He probably shouldn’t tell the director why. That is none of the director’s business. Just say that it won’t work out this time, but that he hopes to work with the director in the future. Also wish the director well on his/her production.
This would be a good way for the actor to stay in the director’s good graces, but not be involved in a play that violates a comfort level.
I hope this advice is helpful to the actor and to other actors. My daughter is a stage manager, and when I told her about this thread, her first reply was, “Tell the actor to email me!” Well, I don’t think it would be a good idea to pass out her email address on an open forum! But you get the idea–the stage manager is the mediator between actors and directors. Go to the stage manager for help.
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Big_Dummy
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Ah Yeah, it is sinful Phil 4:8, Romans 14
Lev 18:22
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
Phil 4:8
Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.
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Romans 14
The Weak and the Strong
1 Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. 2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. 4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 **For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. 8 If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. ** 10 You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister[a]? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. 11 It is written:
“‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord,
‘every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will acknowledge God.’”**
12 So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God.
13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister. 14 I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean. 15 If your brother or sister is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy someone for whom Christ died. 16 Therefore do not let what you know is good be spoken of as evil. 17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18 because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval.
19 Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. 20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. 21 It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother or sister to fall.
22 So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves. 23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.**
Lev 18:22
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
Phil 4:8
Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.
New International Version (NIV)
Romans 14
The Weak and the Strong
1 Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. 2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. 4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 **For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. 8 If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. ** 10 You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister[a]? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. 11 It is written:
“‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord,
‘every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will acknowledge God.’”**
12 So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God.
13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister. 14 I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean. 15 If your brother or sister is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy someone for whom Christ died. 16 Therefore do not let what you know is good be spoken of as evil. 17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18 because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval.
19 Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. 20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. 21 It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother or sister to fall.
22 So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves. 23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.**
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psi
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We need more Christians to be successful actors so that gradually the entertainment world will promote better values. But in order to be successful, I think they need to be willing to do nude scenes and moderate sex scenes. Then once Christians permeate the culture, we can gradually have more modest art and entertainment.
To change the culture we need to swim w/ the culture.
To change the culture we need to swim w/ the culture.
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Cat
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But we do not need to swim in the nude to swim with the culture. We can wear trunks or bathing suits, right? We need to swim with the culture, but not dress (or undress) like it.
I definitely agree that we need to see more Christians enter the entertainment industry. We are supposed to be salt and light. We’re not supposed to hide out in our safe Christian “fortresses.”
I’m not sure I agree that Christians need to be willing to do nude scenes. Moderate sex scenes–maybe.
But I think what would be even better is if Christians would find ways to be more creative in the entertainment industry so that nude scenes and moderate sex scenes aren’t necessary.
Did you know that the TV show Boy Meets World was done almost entirely by Christians? Produced, directed, and written by Christians. It was one of the most popular kids’ shows of its time (my daughters LOVED it and had major crushes on one of the young teen actors on the show). But even though it was immensely popular (with kids), it was completely decent and moral . The two leads (Cory and Topanga) were virgins when they got married.
So it IS possible to do a really good show (play, movie, concert, whatever) without nude scenes or moderate sex scenes.
There are lots of really good shows that have no nudity or graphic sex. One of my favorite playwrights is Tennessee Williams, and his plays do not require nudity or graphic sex to be riveting. I especially love The Glass Menagerie. This play is intense, with lots of emotion and great dialogue and strong characters . No nudity. No sex.
Another excellent play is 12 Angry Men. Again, no nudity or sex. Just great writing and when it is done by good actors, it’s a fantastic, almost life-changing theater experience.
I could go on and on . My point is that there are plenty of good shows for Christian actors where there is no nudity or moderate sex.
And there are still plenty of good plays, movie scripts, etc. to be written, and hopefully, Christian writers will write some of these!
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JRKH
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Lets see if I got this right. In order to change the culture you don’t like, you first have to promote the culture you don’t like???:hypno:
uch:Wouldn’t it be better to, “Be the change you hope to see”??
Hollywood has no solid lock on things anymore. Good productions come from many sources, even overseas. It’s not as though there is a “studio system” controlling everything.
I agree that there needs to be more successful Christian actors. I actually think there are already quite a few. Hopefully those who are out there will begin to band together to do more things of an uplifting nature.
I’d like to see something put together to promote Christian values in the High school and College media curses. Something like a contest where HS and University level media groups could put together various productions and submit them for judging and with cash awards to the schools for the best ones. They could be aired on EWTN…
It would look good on a resume…
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James
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AntalKalnoky
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No, we Don’t do nude and atrocious scenes; never participate in Sin for any reason: wise advice. The Biggest selling Movie has been about Christ, and well acted, Biblical. The way to change is offer Better Alternatives. There are Many Grade Scool and High -School and College acts done regularly; Each local Catholic Schhol, Kindergarten on up does them occassionally.Lets see if I got this right. In order to change the culture you don’t like, you first have to promote the culture you don’t like???:hypno:
Wouldn’t it be better to, “Be the change you hope to see”??
Hollywood has no solid lock on things anymore. Good productions come from many sources, even overseas. It’s not as though there is a “studio system” controlling everything.
I agree that there needs to be more successful Christian actors. I actually think there are already quite a few. Hopefully those who are out there will begin to band together to do more things of an uplifting nature.
I’d like to see something put together to promote Christian values in the High school and College media curses. Something like a contest where HS and University level media groups could put together various productions and submit them for judging and with cash awards to the schools for the best ones. They could be aired on EWTN…
It would look good on a resume…
Peace
James
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