Is All Saints day a holy day of obligation this year?

[tee_eff_em]

joshua1:

How can you transfer the obligation to Sunday?. It is already obligatory to attend Mass on Sunday anyways.

Technically, the obligation is not transferred to Sunday. Rather, the obligation is supressed when the date occurs on a Saturday or a Monday, as is expressly permitted to the bishops’ conference under the approval of the Apostolic See by Canon 1246:

Can. 1246 §1 The Lord’s Day, on which the paschal mystery is celebrated, is by apostolic tradition to be observed in the universal Church as the primary holyday of obligation. In the same way the following holydays are to be observed: the Nativity of Our Lord Jesus Christ, the Epiphany, the Ascension of Christ, the feast of the Body and Blood of Christ, the feast of Mary the Mother of God, her Immaculate Conception, her Assumption, the feast of St Joseph, the feast of the Apostles SS Peter and Paul, and the feast of All Saints.
§2 However, the Episcopal Conference may, with the prior approval of the Apostolic See, suppress certain holydays of obligation or transfer them to a Sunday.

I have grown so accustomed to this that I recently remarked to an acquaintance in the UK how odd it seems that in England and Wales the holy day itself is transferred to Sunday under those circumstances – But of course that is perfectly in line with the canon as well.

tee

 

[midwest_mom]

How sad it is that we must feel “obligated” to attend Mass. November 1 is still a Holy Day. If a Bishop says its not a day of obligation, it still doesn’t change the fact that its a Holy Day. Should we attend Mass on a Holy Day, if possible?

My Priest once told me that the reason they began moving the day of obligation from Monday to Sunday was that the Hierachy knew most people wouldn’t attend the Holy Day Mass on Monday anyway, so if they moved it to Sunday, more people would attend the Holy Day Mass. (by default) I think that was probly just his interpretation but it does make sense.

 

[tee_eff_em]

Following up my own post

tee_eff_em:

Did the “pre-conciliar” church have local calendars based upon, but differing from, the general calendar? What about extremely local celebrations, like when my parish celebrates her patron as a solemnity rather than the feast that the general calendar designates? Was that done? Was it un-universal?

(I know I’m taking albert’s bait, but I honestly don’t know the answer, having been born a few days after the council’s opening)

As this post in the [post=264672]laity giving blessings[/post] thread, reminds me – Of course we already have (and had) multiple calendars!

Ergo, albert cipriani is quite mistaken about the church being rendered “less universal” and “a house divided” due to variations of calendar.


tee

 

[neum334]

This answers all the immediate questions.

usccb.org/liturgy/q&a/general/obligation.htm

**National Conference of Catholic Bishops
United States of America

Decree of Promulgation**

On December 13, 1991 the members of the National Conference of Catholic Bishops of the United States of America made the following general decree concerning holy days of obligation for Latin rite Catholics:

In addition to Sunday, the days to be observed as holy days of obligation in the Latin Rite dioceses of the United States of America, in conformity with canon 1246, are as follows:

January 1, the solemnity of Mary, Mother of God;
Thursday of the Sixth Week of Easter, the solemnity of the Ascension;
August 15, the solemnity of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary;
November 1, the solemnity of All Saints;
December 8, the solemnity of the Immaculate Conception;
December 25, the solemnity of the Nativity of Our Lord Jesus Christ. Whenever January 1, the solemnity of Mary, Mother of God, or August 15, the solemnity of the Assumption, or November 1, the solemnity of All Saints, falls on a Saturday or on a Monday, the precept to attend Mass is abrogated.

This decree of the Conference of Bishops was approved and confirmed by the Apostolic See by a decree of the Congregation for Bishops (Prot. N. 296/84), signed by Bernardin Cardinal Gantin, prefect of the Congregation, and dated July 4, 1992.

As President of the National Conference of Catholic Bishops, I hereby declare that the effective date of this decree for all the Latin rite dioceses of the United States of America will be January 1, 1993, the solemnity of Mary, Mother of God.

Given at the offices of the National Conference of Catholic Bishops in Washington, DC, November 17, 1992.

• Daniel E. Pilarczyk
  Archbishop of Cincinnati
  President of the National Conference of Catholic Bishops Robert N. Lynch
  General Secretary

 

[mtr01]

I checked the website for my Archdiocese (Baltimore) and got the same information. However, it did add this:

Although the obligation to attend Mass when these three holy days fall on a Saturday or Monday is abolished, parishes are to continue to observe these holy days by scheduling one or more Masses at a convenient time so that people who wish to participate are able to do so.

This was decided at the November 1991 meeting of the National Conference of Catholic Bishops. The action was confirmed by the Congregation for Bishops on July 4, 1992.

Based in this, it seems that all parishes are to hold Mass on these days, even though there is no obligation. I assume this also refers to parishes that don’t have a regular daily Mass.

 

[Steve_Girone]

I don’t like the word “obligation” at all…just go every day and then don’t worry about “missing” a day of “obligation”

 

[Crusader]

albert cipriani:

How absurd that Catholics are this confused by their post-conciliar churchmen. Our Traditional priest clearly informed us from the pulpit yesterday that, of course, it is a holy day of obligation.

But you will continue to be confused by the lyrics put into your mouths, by the impious positions you are forced to adopt when receiving our Lord, by what is or is not a sin, and by which days are holy days of obligation as long as you remain in communion with the bishops who have lost the faith. How can you expect it to be otherwise? – Sincerely, Albert Cipriani the Traditional Catholic
http://www.geocities.com/albert_cipriani/index.html
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So you are finally admitted to being a Protestant? Just exactly what form of Protestantism is “Traditional”? Is that a form of SSPXism?

Keep in mind that unlike you Protestants, Catholic churches have ambos, not “pulpits.”

We also focus our worship on God and His Son, Jesus Christ. We do not adore the different postures one can assume, as is customary (or so it seems) in your ecclesial grouping…

 

[otm]

albert cipriani:

How absurd that Catholics are this confused by their post-conciliar churchmen. Our Traditional priest clearly informed us from the pulpit yesterday that, of course, it is a holy day of obligation.

But you will continue to be confused by the lyrics put into your mouths, by the impious positions you are forced to adopt when receiving our Lord, by what is or is not a sin, and by which days are holy days of obligation as long as you remain in communion with the bishops who have lost the faith. How can you expect it to be otherwise? – Sincerely, Albert Cipriani the Traditional Catholic
http://www.geocities.com/albert_cipriani/index.html
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ReligiousPhilosophy/

Post conciliar has nothing to do with the basis for all of this, which is the power to bind and to loose. Holy days of obligation are within the power of the Church to determine, and to determine likewise that they are not of obligation. That power did not come in with Vatican 2.

Apparently your priest views himself as above the authority of the bishops acting in concert, and under the approval of Rome. Perhaps the better question is, who anointed him so that he has the power to determine what is or is not a day of obligation?

And, pray tell, what whould I look for in determining the truth of whether or not this group of bishops has lost their faith?

 

[otm]

albert cipriani:

It’s not the bishop’s authority to suppress or abrogate that I object to, but the cofussion they unnecessarily interject into the process. This business of making a holy day non-holy if it falls on a Monday is simply absurd.

I’m not confused. Are you confused?
albert cipriani:

Our calendars’ foibles are not the means by which to declare whether or not a holy day is operative. For any given day is actually two different days in this global vilagae of ours. Ergo, the universal Church has made itself that much less universal and rendered itself a house divided by allowing calendar days to decide the holy days of obligation.

It has? Wow! Such utterly clear logic. Such impeccable argumentation! Two different days? Did that change recently? And that makes the Church less universal, because everyone is using the same calendar, and counts a day starting at midnight, and ending the next midnight?
albert cipriani:

I’d have less to complain about if our bishops had the guts to abolish all the holy days of obligation themselves instead of hiding behind the calendar and letting the days of the week effectively do their dirty work for them. – Sincerely, Albert Cipriani the Traditional Catholic

Dirty work. I am glad to know that the days of the week are now anointed, and doing the dirty work…

 

[Sir_Knight]

Sir Knight or bear06: Can either of you name a diocese in the US which is retaining All Saints as a day of obligation this year? Thanks.

tee

No, I can not but that doesn’t mean that there isn’t. I will also tell you this – I use to travel a lot on business, I clearly recall one particular holyday that I was going to be out of town. I figured that at the end of the day before returning to my hotel room, I would find a local church to attend evening Mass. It turns out that the doicese that I was in did not consider it a holy day of obligation and there were no evening Masses but the diocese that I lived in DID conisder it a holy day of obligation.

This caused me great confusion because I did not know if I was bound by the diocese that I was physically in or the diocese that I was an official member of.