Is All Saints Day a Somber Day in the Catholic Church?

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As the title says, I’m curious as to how All Saints Day is celebrated as a Catholic. I’m a convert, so I honestly don’t know a whole lot about it. My thought is that remembering saints is a very joyful thing, since they have made it to heaven, and that the following day, All Souls, is probably a bit more somber.

I ask because I am thinking of having a VERY joyous event pertaining to my vocation on that day and don’t want to continue my planning if it would be distasteful.😃
 
Greetings-

As the title says, I’m curious as to how All Saints Day is celebrated as a Catholic. I’m a convert, so I honestly don’t know a whole lot about it. My thought is that remembering saints is a very joyful thing, since they have made it to heaven, and that the following day, All Souls, is probably a bit more somber.

I ask because I am thinking of having a VERY joyous event pertaining to my vocation on that day and don’t want to continue my planning if it would be distasteful.😃
All Saints Day is one of the four great feasts of the year! It’s a full-blown, first class Solemnity.

Liturgically, All Souls is not even an obligatory memorial. That said, the idea that it should be “somber” might derive from a sense that Purgatory is “bad.” For my money, as the antechamber of Heaven, there is much to rejoice in for the souls who are there.
 
All Solemnities are “joyous.” Is your question whether it is “joyous” or whether it is “more” joyous?
“Joyous” was the main issue. I just got off the phone with my spiritual director and he definitely confirmed that this would be an appropriate day. 👍

Thanks for helping me out!
 
“Joyous” was the main issue. I just got off the phone with my spiritual director and he definitely confirmed that this would be an appropriate day. 👍

Thanks for helping me out!
So I’m hangin’ by a THREAD here! Out with it! What are you up to???
 
Question from a convert: what’s the difference between All Saints’ Day and All Souls’ Day?
 
Question from a convert: what’s the difference between All Saints’ Day and All Souls’ Day?
All Saints Day commemorates all of those who are in Heaven – both known and unknown – that is, not just Saints canonized by the Church but ALL the blessed.

All Souls commemorates those who have died but are still undergoing purification in Purgatory. They are referred to as “The Holy Souls” because they are abso-tively, posi-lutely destined for Heaven!
 
Liturgically, All Souls is not even an obligatory memorial. That said, the idea that it should be “somber” might derive from a sense that Purgatory is “bad.” For my money, as the antechamber of Heaven, there is much to rejoice in for the souls who are there.
I have always wondered why the folks in Purgatory are referred to as the “Church Suffering,” “the suffering souls” and the “poor souls.” Their ticket is stamped. They know they’re getting into the big party. They just need to clean up. Ok. They have to wait. But it isn’t like they’ve been condemned to hell. They made it through life in this “valley of tears,” whats a little more time?

Meanwhile, we members of the Church Militant are still having through fight off temptation and sin and suffer through the ills of this world.

Aren’t we suffering more than those in Purgatory?
 
I have always wondered why the folks in Purgatory are referred to as the “Church Suffering,” “the suffering souls” and the “poor souls.” Their ticket is stamped. They know they’re getting into the big party. They just need to clean up. Ok. They have to wait. But it isn’t like they’ve been condemned to hell. They made it through life in this “valley of tears,” whats a little more time?

Meanwhile, we members of the Church Militant are still having through fight off temptation and sin and suffer through the ills of this world.

Aren’t we suffering more than those in Purgatory?
No. At the very least their hearts are purer and they are more aware of how far they are from God – even though they are in his hand. Their sorrow for their sin must be agonizingly acute.
 
At the very least their hearts are purer and they are more aware of how far they are from God – even though they are in his hand. Their sorrow for their sin must be agonizingly acute.
Then, the reason the Church Suffering is suffering more than the members of the Church Militant is because God has given us more tools to cope with our suffering in this life? We have the Church, the Mass and the Sacraments while the souls in Purgatory have nothing to help alleviate and mitigate the suffering?
 
Then, the reason the Church Suffering is suffering more than the members of the Church Militant is because God has given us more tools to cope with our suffering in this life? We have the Church, the Mass and the Sacraments while the souls in Purgatory have nothing to help alleviate and mitigate the suffering?
Hmmmm. We DO have those comforts. But I wouldn’t want to take the discussion too far down the road of a clinched argument.
 
I have always wondered why the folks in Purgatory are referred to as the “Church Suffering,” “the suffering souls” and the “poor souls.” Their ticket is stamped. They know they’re getting into the big party. They just need to clean up. Ok. They have to wait. But it isn’t like they’ve been condemned to hell. They made it through life in this “valley of tears,” whats a little more time?

Meanwhile, we members of the Church Militant are still having through fight off temptation and sin and suffer through the ills of this world.

Aren’t we suffering more than those in Purgatory?
Whether “we” are suffering more or less depends on who “we” are, I would think. It depends on what stands between us and Heaven, in either case.

Also, we don’t know what the souls in Purgatory know or don’t know, or how that knowledge seems to them. But I don’t think there is any reason to suppose that they’re just marking time.

I think of souls in Purgatory as “dry drunks”, whether they like it or not. We are all addicts, but they are now without all those outer things that we all cling to and think will save us. All of that is utterly stripped away. They have lost it all at once and often without warning–praise Heaven, it was poison to them!–and yet they are not in Heaven yet. The enslavements they died with remain to be removed. Only the vain ways they thought to escape knowledge of their enslavement is gone. Yikes. Talk about painful. The day of reckoning and the day of salvation are often the same day, even here on earth. It takes a little distance and a little progress to see the “alleluia” in it, though.

That makes the suffering souls both closer to Heaven and yet inescapably confronted with the task at hand. Think of the physical, psychological, and emotional pains of withdrawal that an addict goes through, when they hit bottom and the object of their addiction is torn away from them before he or she fully realizes the necessity of giving it up. That is both the most painful and the best thing that ever happened to the person. I think of Purgatory as being like that, with the 12 steps not being a bad analogy to our letting go of sin.

Most of these are things that we have denied we cling to in the first place. We have denied our sick dependence on them, especially if the addiction is to an otherwise healthy thing. (Think of food addicts.) I can’t help but think that those with a truer concept and more of a will to be free of what enslaves them will have a better time of it.

A good reason to get ourselves serious about our own “AA meetings” right now! Doing penance is an excellent way to uncover those things we cling to, and how deep their roots go.
 
So I’m hangin’ by a THREAD here! Out with it! What are you up to???
Proposing marriage…didn’t want to just come out and say it “just in case” my SO happened upon this thread, but I don’t think she will. I’ve already said enough to make it fairly apparent anyway.
 
Proposing marriage…didn’t want to just come out and say it “just in case” my SO happened upon this thread, but I don’t think she will. I’ve already said enough to make it fairly apparent anyway.
🙂 🙂 🙂
 
Regarding All Saints Day, it’s interesting that the origin of Halloween, the day before All Saints Day, is supposedly derivative of recognizing "All Hallowed’s Eve", that is the eve of All Saints Day. It is another expample of a religiously based day of recognition morphing into a secular holiday, such as how Saint Nicholas eventually became Santa Claus. Here’s a fun sampling of the basis for Halloween:
americancatholictruthsociety.com/articles/halloween.htm
 
I have always wondered why the folks in Purgatory are referred to as the “Church Suffering,” “the suffering souls” and the “poor souls.” Their ticket is stamped. They know they’re getting into the big party. They just need to clean up. Ok. They have to wait. But it isn’t like they’ve been condemned to hell. They made it through life in this “valley of tears,” whats a little more time?

Meanwhile, we members of the Church Militant are still having through fight off temptation and sin and suffer through the ills of this world.

Aren’t we suffering more than those in Purgatory?
those saints who have been granted visions or other information about purgatory reveal unanimously that the pain is grievous, and the comparisons to fire and burning are apt, as the soul is burned as in a purifying fire (visit a steel mill to see what that really means) as well as the pain of separation from God and longing for the trial to be over. These souls suffer more than we do on Earth because they have more knowledge of who God is, having been through the particular judgment, and also more knowledge of their owns sins.
 
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